Subject:     My Thoughts About Incest 
Story Codes: no sex 
Date:        March 20, 2012 
Author:      Kelly <pghpa_girl@yahoo.com>

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Summary:

It's amazing how many people (mostly guys) ask me for my advice on how to 
start an incestuous relationship.  Sometimes it's about a cousin or sibling, 
but usually it's a father wanting to know how to start having sex with his 
daughter.   You may be surprised to learn that I don't support incest in the 
majority of these situations!

This article is NOT meant to promote or discourage incest but rather to raise 
the awareness of some of the issue involved and give my opinions about them.  
Hopefully I can explain a different side to incest than what most people know 
and at the same time help people to realize how wonderful incest can be - 
under the right circumstances. 

Disclaimer: Most of this article deals with incest between fathers and 
daughters as I have no personal experience with mothers and sons. 

Table of Contents:  
   Chapter 1 - Definitions  
   Chapter 2 - General Rules for Sex  
   Chapter 3 - Some General Thoughts About Incest  
   Chapter 4 - Reasons for NOT Having Incest  
   Chapter 5 - Issues to be Addressed Before Incest  
   Chapter 6 - The Benefits of Incest  
   Chapter 7 - Questions and Answers About Incest


Chapter 1 - Definitions
=======================

All of these definitions are based on my own perspectives using principles 
and concepts which guide my life and actions.  No doubt your spouse, family, 
friends, church, and local law authorities may have widely varying opinions.

Sex:     The penetration, however slight, of a female vagina by a male 
         penis. It doesn’t matter if the hymen remains intact or if the 
         entire penis doesn’t get in the pussy, it's still sex.  Once ANY 
         part of the penis is inside, even if it's just the very tip, 
         it's as good as ALL in. Thus a girl can have an intact hymen but 
         NOT be a virgin.

Family:  The members of your immediate family out to and including first 
         cousins, whether by blood OR marriage.

Incest:  The act of sex between members of the same family.  Thus whether 
         or not a "sex" constitutes "incest" is determined by the family 
         relationship between the partners, not just their DNA. For 
         example, sex between a girl and her brother-in-law is incest.

Adultery: When a married person has sex with someone not in their family. 
          Sex that qualifies as "incest" is between family members and 
          thus is NOT adultery.  This is important because it means you 
          can't commit adultery unless you're married.  If you're single 
          and have sex with a married partner (assuming it's not 
          incestual), THEY are the ones committing adultery, not you.

          Adultery is a definition of an act of sex.  Any action in and 
          of itself is not good or bad.  It’s the intent and consequences 
          that make that determination.  Whether or not adultery is 
          cheating depends on why the person does it and the impact it 
          has on their marriage.  

Oral "Sex": Sex is fundamentally a reproductive act, even though most of 
          the time that isn't the intended purpose.  This by definition, 
          oral "sex" is NOT sex.  Because it is NOT sex, engaging in oral 
          "sex" cannot be considered cheating or incest.  Using the same 
          logic, anal "sex" is not sex either.


Chapter 2 - General Rules for Sex
=================================

There is a fine line between incest and child abuse so when there is ANY 
question at all, I believe the more conservative response is always best.  
Here is my "Top Ten" list of basic rules that I believe EVERYONE should 
follow, regardless of whether the situation involves incest or not:

1. Unless you're 100% sure about it, DON'T DO IT!!!! 

2. If your daughter (or ANY girl for that matter) says "no", that means 
   "NO". It doesn't matter if "she asked for it" or you think "she really 
   wants it", DON'T DO IT! 

3. If you have to rationalize it, DON'T DO IT! 

4. If the idea of sex with your daughter doesn't feel right, DON'T DO IT! 

5. If you can't tell your wife about your feelings, DON'T DO IT! 

6. If you want to fuck your daughter but can’t already masturbate in 
   front of her, DON'T DO IT!

7. If you think your daughter might be too young for sex, DON'T DO IT!

8. If you're not sure that your daughter's ready for sex, DON'T DO IT!

9. Just because your daughter flirts with you, it does NOT necessarily 
   mean that she wants to have sex with you. In fact, odds are she'd be 
   appalled if she knew you thought that she did.  Don't confuse trust 
   with lust. 

10. Porn movies, erotic stories and "adult" Internet sites DO NOT reflect
    reality.  Don't expect the same reaction from your daughter as from 
    the so-called "daughters" on the Internet.


Chapter 3 - Some General Thoughts About Incest
==============================================

Of all the subjects I discuss, this is the one that gets the most responses 
as people generally have strong opinions about incest.  As a rule I find 
they're either turned on or totally disgusted without much in between.  
Unfortunately, I've also found that most people's knowledge of incest is 
derived from what they were taught as children, heard preached in church, 
read in the newspapers, discussed with their friends or worst of all - seen 
on internet porn sites.  Very few people have actual knowledge of a family 
that practices incest and even fewer of one where incest is practiced as it 
should be.

I can't even begin to say how many people have told me that I'm either 
perverted or a victim of child molestation - all because I have sex with some 
of my family.  Even if they finally acknowledge that it might actually be 
something that I truly WANT to do, they still claim that I've been 
brainwashed or “trained” by my "evil" parents just to satisfy their own 
disgusting sexual perversions.  NONE of this, or anything remotely similar to 
it, could be farther from the truth. 

Historically incest has been taboo in most cultures for two very good reasons 
- genetics and child exploitation.  Even though our ancestors knew nothing 
about DNA, they did know that kids born out of incest were often not quite 
"right" and so there must be something inherently wrong with such a custom.  
Like many good practices, such as avoiding certain foods, etc., these became 
engrained in their laws and religion which provided the authority for society 
to enforce the taboo.

Today, with the multitude of options available for birth control in addition 
to the means to end an unwanted pregnancy (please, no debates on abortion 
here), the foundation for the case against incest has largely crumbled.  
However, these ancient taboos have become so engrained in society and 
religion that most people cannot see beyond their life-long indoctrination 
and thus are unable to consider incest from a rationale perspective.

The other problem is the second excuse used to ban incest - child abuse.  I 
totally agree that all children MUST be protected.  It is an unfortunate fact 
of life that there are many screwed up people out there who are empowered and 
gratified through the act of having sex with children - some ridiculously 
young.  This easily leads to a situation where a child can be coerced into 
performing acts they're not mature enough to understand, let alone truly 
consent.  Because incest is one of the most common rationalizations used by 
these perverts, child molestation is the most powerful argument against 
incest - at least so far as younger children are concerned. 

Over the years I've chatted with a lot of people on-line and it's generally 
been a fun experience although I've had to ignore more than few blatant 
perverts and jerks.  Most people claim that they’re open-minded and have no 
problems with casual sex, especially if it was with me! Some say they want to 
cheat on their spouse while others want me to join them with their spouse and 
still others want me be to be with just their hubby or wife while they watch.  
Many couples claim to be looking for someone to make a three-some although I 
found that most of these "couples" are just fakes. I've had quite a few 
people who are really into the kinky stuff including children and animals.  
The point I’m trying to make is that I try to respect other people's feelings 
and desires, even if I'm not especially turned on by them or even personally 
offended.  For the most part, everyone else claims to feel the same way yet 
amazingly they then draw the line at incest.

So let's see... fucking dogs and underage kids is good but having a loving 
relationship with my mom and dad that involves sex is bad.  Hmmmmmm... what 
am I missing here? 

There are many things in life that are fulfilling and pleasurable when 
handled properly yet they can also be easily abused and can be extremely 
harmful.   Alcohol, gambling and sex come to mind immediately.  Let me say 
right from the start that I firmly believe that incest is NOT for everyone - 
in fact only a small minority of families.  I know from my own experience 
that when handled properly, incest can be help to contribute to of a 
wonderful and incredibly loving relationship between a child and his/her 
immediate family.  At the same time, I have seen where incest is abused and 
used to molest children.


Chapter 4 - Reasons for NOT Having Incest
=========================================

It should go without saying that having sex between family members is NOT a 
requirement for establishing family values.  Incest will not necessarily cure 
other problems engrained in a family.  In the short run it certainly may help 
to mask these issues, but eventually they will come out and when they do, 
having incest to deal with as well could make a bad situation worse.

There are a number of reasons why I strongly believe that the vast majority 
of families are NOT functionally, emotionally or otherwise equipped to deal 
with incest:

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Incest is Not Accepted in Our Society

Face it, about the only time most people hear about incest is when it's 
abused.   Thus society has developed its own rules and regulations which 
makes incest taboo, not to mention illegal.  People raised in this atmosphere 
will naturally grow up thinking incest is bad.  As a result incest is not a 
secret to be shared with the neighborhood and I would bet that most people 
have no idea that the neighbors next door are sleeping together as a family.

Indeed, if such information WAS released in today' society it would likely 
ruin the lives and reputations of the parents and stigmatize the children.  
Keeping such an intimate and emotionally charged subject from accidentally 
escaping can be extremely tasking and is realistically beyond the 
capabilities of most families.

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Unappealing Personal Looks and Hygiene

In many families there are issues with age differences and personal image.   
Let's face it, most parents are NOT sexually appealing to their kids.  I'm 
fortunate that my parents had me while they were young and kept themselves in 
good shape such that were still a pretty hot couple when I became a teenager.   
One guy I was chatted with told me that his parents were in their sixties.  
Well duh, I guess that most likely rules out any sexual appeal!

In other cases, one or both parents have let themselves go and are frankly 
just unappealing - especially naked! I mean, why would a girl want anything 
to do sexually with a father sporting a beer gut covered in hair, smelling 
like cigarettes and beer?

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Multiple Children at Varying Ages

Most families have more than one child which creates a situation much 
different from mine.  I'm an only child so there were no issues of older or 
younger children for my parents to deal with. The variations here are endless 
- should you wait for the youngest to grow up but then do you tell the 
oldest, especially if they have moved out? What about having sex with the 
oldest when they are ready and thus having to hide it from the youngest?

Well, I would have a hard time believing that it could really be kept secret 
for long.  Although I won't say incest should be limited to single-child 
families, it certainly makes it easier when the children are close in age.  I 
don't believe incest should be hidden from anyone in the family - even if 
everyone is not actively involved.  The more people in the situation, the 
tougher this becomes to enforce.  It's not that it impossible, just more 
difficult and something that should be thought through thoroughly before 
moving forward.

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Lack of a Family History With Incest

It helps a LOT if one or both of the parents were involved in an incestual 
relationship when they were growing up. For instance, my mom's father had sex 
with both of his daughters started when they were barely teens and he 
continued having sex with them even after they were both married.  In this 
case both of them now had lived through it themselves as a positive 
experience and thus they were anxious for their own daughters to grow up 
enough to do the same.  My father had fucked my mom and her sister in high 
school which made it easier for my mom to accept them being together after 
they were married.

Thus in my family the odds were pretty high that incest would become part of 
my life when I was old enough.  Needless to say, most families do not have 
such a history making it all new territory to be learned and thus the 
potential for problems is significantly increased.  I don't mean to say that 
a family can't start its own traditions, it's just that doing so is much more 
dangerous and should be carefully considered as to whether the potential 
benefits outweigh the risks.

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It's Illegal

Most religions forbid incest - note I say "religions" and not God (read the 
whole Bible, not just Leviticus!).  Many of our laws were made to conform to 
religious requirements.  As the law makes it illegal to have sex with a 
minor, even if everyone in the family is happy with the situation, if some 
do-gooder found out and turned them in the parents would be punished.

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Again, let me make one thing perfectly clear - the mere fact that two people 
share DNA does not disqualify them from having a sexual relationship BUT just 
as important, nor does it mean they SHOULD.  The same principles that govern 
whether a person has sex with someone outside the family should apply inside 
the family as well.

What saddens me is that unfortunately there are far too many sadistic and 
perverted people who rationalize incest as an excuse to satisfy their own 
selfish desires at the expense of their children.  I am FIRMLY against child 
abuse of any kind including sex before puberty and ANY form of non-consensual 
sex, regardless of age.  Because of the often well-publicized actions of 
these horrible people, most people associate incest with eight year-old 
children and leering adults who manipulate innocent kids into doing things 
they don't understand - all of which is clearly wrong.

Incest also requires a certain attitude toward sex, one where sex is accepted 
and handled responsibly.  I first had sex when I was fourteen with the 
sixteen year-old brother of one of my best friends and I've been sexually 
active ever since.  While I didn't fuck every guy in school, I would have to 
say that almost all of my relationships included a degree of sexual content 
to some degree - anything from playful petting to full intercourse.  I ended 
up fucking only nine different guys by the time I graduated from high school 
which I don't think is a particularly high number, especially considering I 
was sucking every cock I could get my mouth on.

I know today that my mom had sex with her father when she was barely a 
teenager and that she was hoping for my sake that I would do the same with my 
father, but it wasn't until I made the first move and eventually joined them 
in bed that they revealed the things they were involved in.  For instance, 
while I've always known that my mom and her sister were very close, I didn't 
know that they had a sexual relationship that started when they were barely 
twelve and thirteen nor did I know my dad's involvement with his sister-in-
law until after I had sex with them both individually. 


Chapter 5 - Issues to be Addressed Before Incest
================================================

With all that said, If I was making the rules, anyone considering incest 
would have to address the following concerns:

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Open Attitude Towards Se

Incest can't be the first time sex is discussed openly in the family.  If sex 
hasn't been openly discussed and treated as something to be given respect and 
dignity along with personal responsibility, then incest shouldn't even be 
considered.  If a family can't shower or dress in front of one another 
without embarrassment or viewed as something erotic, they certainly aren't 
ready to have sex with one another!

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Old Enough to Consent

The girl or boy must be old enough to make a an informed and consensual 
decision.  This will vary between kids and in extreme cases may be as young 
as twelve or thirteen.  I would say though for most families in our culture, 
sixteen is the youngest even if they're already sexually active outside the 
family.  I know for myself that at fourteen I felt mature enough to give up 
my virginity but that was just with some boy for fun.  Even in the home I was 
raised in, at fourteen my dad was just that - my dad.  I loved him for sure 
but he was an authority figure and the thought of having sex with him never 
even crossed my mind. It wasn't until I was sixteen that I came to understand 
the loving relationship between my parents sufficiently to realize that it 
was something I wanted to share with them.

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Physical Appearance

While I hate to sound like a narcissist, there has to be some physical 
attraction between the family members.  This probably knocks out 95% of all 
families but what is the sense in having sex without it being fun? If a mom 
and dad let themselves go physically, that's their business but they 
shouldn't expect their teenager kids to look at them with any thoughts of sex 
in mind!

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Both Parents Need to Be Involved

I don't necessarily mean physically as some people are not bisexual but at 
least both should be fully aware of the situation.  For instance, as a 
general rule a husband should not fuck his daughter unless his wife gives him 
her blessings first (even, as in my case, the daughter doesn't know that her 
mother has).  It seems that incest tends to be more between a father and a 
daughter than with a mother and son.  I don't know why, maybe it's because 
for some reason dads have a hard time accepting their wife being fucked by 
their son than a mother does in sharing her husband with her daughter.  I 
also think this may have something to do with the "macho factor" because the 
odds that the father and son would ever have sex are extremely low whereas a 
mother-daughter relationship is more easily established once the husband 
fucks them both.

I am sure some people will point out that my father and I have been fooling 
around with his brother and two of his kids without the knowledge of his wife 
- a contradiction to what I just said.  It was not a simple decision and I 
dearly wish my aunt was more open-minded.  Given her strong convictions, it 
was either stay away entirely or do what we've done.  Considering the 
experience we have with dealing with the issues, we felt it was something 
that could be dealt with and indeed, that has been the case.  I do NOT 
recommend others try this unless they already have the family support 
structure in place to support it.

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Family Size

Finally, I believe that the odds of a successful incestual relationship drop 
with exponentially as the number of kids increases.  First, not all them may 
want to be involved.  As anyone who has ever had or worked with kids knows, 
keeping it secret between kids is next to impossible.  If their ages are 
widely spread then it's probably best to either forget it or wait until the 
youngest can join in.  Remember, even the slightest resistance MUST be 
interpreted as being unwilling since most kids want to please their parents 
so an outright "no" may never come.  Any lesser standard would certainly lead 
to child abuse.  In my case, being an only child made it easy although I 
admit at times I wish I had a brother or sister.

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Based on the above criteria, I figure that at least 99.9% of families should 
NOT be involved in incest.  Still, even if incest is not part of their lives, 
I firmly believe ALL families should treat sex more openly and honestly than 
what seems to be the general practice these days.  After all, isn't it better 
to act responsibly and deal with the issues of sex directly than to create 
perverts who go out and rape women and abuse children because sex was such a 
tightly controlled thing in his life that when he was finally "freed" he 
couldn't control himself? 

Although I've focused on parent-child relationships, of course incest doesn't 
necessarily have to involve parents and their children.  For instance, a 
brother and sister may be having sex without the knowledge of their parents.  
While it would be better for the parents to at least know and approve, even 
if they were not physically involved, it's natural that most parents would 
not condone their children having sex with one another.  Personally, I don't 
understand why they wouldn't encourage it instead, if for no other reason 
than to watch.  One of the most erotic nights in my life was when I helped a 
brother and sister fuck each other for the first time!

Of course, sibling incest need not be restricted to just teenagers. I helped 
my freshman roomie to be with her older brother and he was married with two 
kids at the time! In some ways it's easier for brothers and sisters to 
practice incest with each other than with their parents because it avoids the 
age difference issue (which may also include age of consent problems).


Chapter 6 - The Benefits of Incest
==================================

For those situations that DO meet the conditions AND there is an interest in 
it, incest can be a wonderful way to bring a family closer together.  After 
all, how mad can I stay with my dad when I felt his cock sliding inside of 
me, filling my pussy? Likewise, no matter what I've done, how upset can he 
stay with me when I suck his cock after asking for forgiveness? It's amazing 
what a little spontaneous sex can do to bring everyone back together again no 
matter what the cause of the quarrel may have been. 

After all this, when you boil it down there are essentially two reasons I 
enjoy incest:

First, there is an incredible love and passion that comes naturally with 
incest.  I love my parents and family so how can I possibly express it more 
than by giving myself to them completely? What most people don't understand 
is that I don't fuck my dad to SHOW him I love him, I ALLOW him to fuck me 
because I love him.  Hopefully you understand the subtle difference.

Nothing compares to the joy I feel when my father's hard cock penetrates deep 
inside of me. When I allow my own father to physically couple himself with 
me, to join our bodies in the most intimate manner that a man and woman can, 
I am demonstrating to him in a way nothing else can how much I love him.  
When I feel him in me I know we are like one body.  There is nothing left for 
me to give than I am at that moment.  Then when his cock erupts and his sperm 
explodes in me I know without a doubt that I have satisfied him, that I have 
fulfilled the sexual lust within him by using my own body, my own sex, to 
give him the most sacred thing I can give to anyone.

In comparison to my dad, where sex is largely my way of satisfying his 
physical needs, being in bed with my mother is more emotionally stimulating.   
She kisses me like a lover, not a parent.  My mother is so passionate with 
me, so loving, it is almost overwhelming.  To feel her warm naked body 
pressed against mine, to lick her pussy where I was conceived and born, to 
feel her tongue on my pussy where her husband fucks me, to have her lick his 
cum from me, all these things fill my soul and complete me as a woman. 

The other reason I enjoy incest is simple.  Having sex with my family is 
physically enjoyable.  It's exciting to know that my father is free to 
approach to me at virtually any time and fuck me or whatever else he wants 
with me.  If I'm watching TV or chatting on the computer and find myself 
turned on by whatever is happening, I'm not embarrassed in the slightest to 
masturbate even if my parents are around - if anything it turns me on all the 
more! I love wearing just a short tight T-shirt or one of my dad's dress 
shirts with nothing on my bottom and in general, that's all I ever wear 
around the house.

Similarly, my aunt and cousin feel free to stop over any time and do whatever 
they need or want without having to sneak around or worry about being 
"caught".   In short, sex is an integral part of our lives, something to be 
enjoyed and shared openly rather than some mysterious affair full of taboos 
and rituals.  It is NOT "naughty" or anything nasty.

In closing I hope this has helped to explain my situation better to those who 
have not understood it well.  Please don't judge me by the standards of a 
society dominated by ancient theology and mythology.  Unfortunately, the odds 
are that incest was never right for you but don't let that bias you from 
acknowledging that for some people it is; so allow them to enjoy it and stop 
criticizing them!


Chapter 7 - Questions and Answers About Incest
==============================================

Question: As a Christian, how can you condone incest?

Answer: Why do people automatically assume that having sex in an incestual 
relationship is a sin? It is more an inhibition put upon us by overbearing 
religious institutions than anything to do with God.  Incest is NOT adultery, 
so that's not an issue.  God created us as sexual beings and made sex to be 
more than an act of reproduction.  Why would we NOT want to use all the gifts 
we have been given when it comes times to express our feelings for those in 
our family?

Actually the question is misleading as it implies that as a Christian I 
shouldn't be involved in incest.  I see it as exactly the opposite.

From Exodus 20:

  Commandment #5: Honor thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be 
                  long.    
  Commandment #7: Thou shalt not commit adultery. 

Seems pretty straightforward to me but for those who need more of an 
explanation, God clearly states that you shall NOT commit adultery and that 
you SHALL honor your father and mother.  Some people, me included, interpret 
"honor" to include submission to their authority and needs. 

I was raised that these make the rules for marriage after sex pretty black 
and white.  Once you are married you can ONLY have sex with your husband and 
immediate family.  For me, I would be honoring my parents by giving myself to 
them.  After all, what greater sign of respect and honor can a daughter give 
to her parents than to offer her own body to them totally and without any 
restraint? In addition, how can I say that I truly honor and respect them if 
I deny myself to their immediate family as well?

In summary, to both not commit adultery AND honor your parents after 
marriage, to me that means not having sex outside my immediate family with 
first cousins, nieces and nephews being the absolute limit.  My parents have 
subscribed to this practice their entire marriage and I am convinced that it 
has been a major contributor to the indisputable success of their marriage.  
OK, my father slipped with my best friend Beth but she is practically family 
and I am sure God has forgiven him for his indiscretion.

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Question: How old should my daughter be before we have sex?

Answer: Easily the most asked question.  Here are three principles that guide 
my thoughts and actions regarding underage sex:

1. The needs of a child ALWAYS come first. When it comes to sex or anything 
   even remotely related to it, if there is ANY doubt, don't do it.  It is 
   ALWAYS better to err on the side of caution.

2. As a general rule, I do not condone or promote sex between adults and 
   minors.   Any exceptions to this rule are strictly limited to VERY special 
   circumstances.   Even then, carefully consideration is required beforehand as 
   to the potential psychological, physical, moral, ethical and legal 
   ramifications.

3. I believe that there should be no limits when it come to fantasies so long 
   as the line between fantasy and reality is never crossed. Talking or writing 
   about something is not the same as doing it.  However, people who have a hard 
   time separating fantasy from reality should be careful what they write, read 
   or look at and seek professional help should the line start to blur.

Here is a summary of my views.  See my article on "Underage Sex" for more 
details.

Child (under 8)
    YES: familiarization with nudity, instruction regarding modesty 
     NO: ANY sexual contact imposed by an adult
         ANY involvement in sexual activities, e.g. observing sex
         ANY detailed discussions about sex

Child (8-10)
    YES: hand or oral stimulation
         discussions about sex but no direct involvement
     NO: sex (penetration)
  
Preteen (11-12)
    YES: masturbation
         sex with partner in this age group
         incestual sex with an adult
     NO: non-incestual sex with an older partner
         
Underage (13-17)
    YES: incestual sex with an adult
         non-incestual sex with adult under parental supervision
     NO: non-incestual sex with an adult w/out parental supervision

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Question: You often tell people you don't support underage sex yet you just 
stated that it's OK for parents to have sex with their underage children.   
Aren't you being a bit hypocritical?

Answer: Not at all.  Incest is sex within a family and as such involves 
relationships and emotional bonding that simply don't exist between an adult 
and a child from different families.  When a typical adult has sex with an 
underage child, it would be strictly for their sexual gratification without 
the love and respect a parent should have for their children.  There is no 
need for the adult to worry about the long-term impact (unless the 
authorities find out) which takes away even more of the "protection" inherent 
in a family relationship.

Sex between an adult and a child outside of incest is pedophilia and illegal 
for good reasons.  I do NOT condone it in any way, shape or manner and I do 
NOT wish to encourage it in any way.  If you want to fantasize about it, go 
right ahead - just so long as you can keep your fantasies from intruding into 
reality.  If you can't control yourself, seek help!

In contrast, sex between a parent and a child is incest and thus more 
acceptable.  While technically illegal in our society today, that is a 
cultural issue, not an ethical or even biblical one.  As for what age is OK, 
see the previous question.

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Question: My incredibly cute ten year-old loves to sit on my lap wearing 
nothing but her little panties and a short t-shirt.  Feeling her firm ass 
rubbing against me, I can't help but get an instant erection.  I don't think 
she realizes how she is affecting me.  I'm afraid that sooner or later I'm 
not going to be able to hold back.  What should I do?

Answer: C'mon dad, if you think by the time she reaches that age that she 
hasn't already noticed what is happening underneath her when she sit on your 
lap, get a clue! When I was that age my dad would often get an erection when 
I sat on his lap and trust me, there was no way for me NOT to notice the 
growing bulge underneath me.

The "problem" you face is that at her age a girl doesn't associate an 
erection with any sort of sexual attraction to her (again, forget the 
Internet and porn movie crap).  When I was eight years old, I watched my dad 
masturbate.  My mom, seeing my curiosity, had me give him a hand-job that 
evening in the hot tub as a means to help me to understand what he was doing.  
Of course I was fascinated by what happened and I felt happy because I knew 
I'd done something to please my dad.  However, I didn't have a clue that what 
happened had anything to do with me other than I was the one touching him 
instead of him using his own hand.

If you feel you HAVE to do SOMETHING... next time she's on your lap and 
you're about to lose control, allow your cock to "accidentally" slip out of 
your shorts for her to see it or even rub it up against her.  While she MIGHT 
be interested, before you get your hopes up keep in mind that it is only her 
natural curiosity, not a result of any sexual intent.  Of course the danger 
in doing anything such as this is that given the lust you'd be feeling at 
that moment, you'd likely misinterpret her interest for a sexual overture 
which could lead you to do something she had no intention of encouraging - or 
even realizing she could.

Now don't get me wrong, getting an erection around your daughter is nothing 
to hide or to be embarrassed or ashamed of, just don't expect her to react to 
it sexually until she gets older.  Growing up, if I saw my dad with an 
erection I just assumed that he was feeling good about something since 
whenever I saw him like that he seemed happy.

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Question: Sometimes when I see my fourteen year-old daughter sleeping, I 
can't help but jerk off while looking at her.  Is it OK to touch her so long 
as I don't wake her?

Answer: Believe it or not, someone actually asked me this question in an e-
mail.   Did he really need me to answer?

This illustrates one of my biggest issues with porn.  No, it's not that I 
feel it degrades women, or any of the other stock answers.  What really bugs 
me about porn is that guys watch it and think it applies to real life.  If 
you think your daughter is going to react like some porn star, waking up and 
out of nowhere start sucking your cock and then begging her daddy to fuck 
her, forget it.   Unless you already have something going with her, doing 
anything to your daughter in her sleep is just perverted.  It's all about 
lust, no love, intimacy, or respect is involved which is an essential part of 
incest.  Besides, how would you explain it if she were to wake up?

Again, forget the fantasy sex scene in your favorite porn movie.  She's NOT 
going to wake up as some hot and horny sex kitten, craving sex with you.  The 
odds are far more likely that she'll be traumatized and tell your wife, 
ruining the possibility of any future intimate relationship although under 
the circumstances, that would probably be the least of your concerns!

Masturbation is a natural human response and if you want jerk off as you 
fantasize about molesting your sleeping daughter, what's the harm? Just don't 
grope the poor girl for God's sake! You're her father, not a pervert, so grow 
up and act like one.

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Question: My fifteen year-old daughter dresses in sexy and suggestive outfits 
around the house.  She flirts with me constantly.  Is she hinting that she 
wants sex with me?

Answer: Sorry, in such a situation the odds are almost 100% she does NOT want 
sex with you.  In fact the reality is much more likely to be just the 
opposite.   Don't take it in a negative way.  It's not that she rejects the 
idea of having sex with you, but more that the very concept is not something 
she would even think about.

Remember, you're her FATHER, not a boyfriend or even a stranger.  At her age 
you're the one man she respects and trusts more than anyone in the world - 
despite how she might act outwardly.  Most girls love to flirt and it is a 
natural and vital part of maturing as it serves as a means of validating her 
self-worth and builds up her self-confidence.  Your daughter feels 
comfortable "flirting" with you because she trusts that you will NOT react 
the way other men would.  Don't feel you have to ignore her either - a few 
compliments can never hurt (remember the "self-worth" and "self-confidence" 
thing?), just don't flirt back for heaven's sake - it will weird her out and 
she won't understand why you're doing it.

Speaking from personal experience, what most daughters don't understand as 
teenagers is that their dad is still a man and as such, is quite capable of 
harboring sexual feelings toward a young hot girl, even her.  When she wears 
that sexy outfit and sits suggestively on your lap, she's acting out her own 
fantasies knowing she can trust you not to take advantage of her like any 
other man would.  If she REALLY wanted sex with you, trust me, you'd know it.  
There is a HUGE difference between sitting on your daddy's lap and reaching 
in his pants for his cock!

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Question: When we were younger my sister and I use to fool around and even 
went so far as to touch each other sexually while "playing doctor".  Now that 
we're older, how can I rekindle that relationship?

Answer: Sorry, you missed your window of opportunity, if one even ever 
existed in the first place which odds are, it didn't. As an adult, if she's 
not letting you know she's interested, she's not.  Like I've said before, 
forget all the crap you read on the Internet! You were both young and did the 
things many kids do.  It's all just a natural part of growing up.  
Unfortunately for you, now you're adults and those days are gone except in 
your dreams.  If I was you, I'd masturbate about her and leave it at that.

Note that I would apply this same advice to anyone else you want to have 
incest with.  In my opinion a healthy and successful incestual lifestyle is 
just that - a lifestyle.  Thus if you raised your daughter in a "normal" 
family atmosphere (private and "taboo" masturbation, limited sexual 
discussion, no nudity, etc.), now that she's graduated from college and moved 
away from home don't think you're going to somehow get something started.  
Sure there are exceptions to every rule but just as someone always wins the 
PowerBall lottery, odds are you won't and the same goes to starting an 
incestual relationship late in life.

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Question: What is the biggest signal that it's OK to have incest with my 
daughter?

Answer: In my opinion, that depends to a large extent how the entire subject 
of sex has been handled in your family.  If you don't discuss sex in the same 
as any other topic, odds are the right atmosphere doesn't exist.  A healthy 
incestual lifestyle requires a level of trust and family order that isn't 
developed overnight.

When people ask me this question, Usually the first thing I ask them is how 
masturbation has been addressed in their family.  Is it something that's only 
done in private and otherwise treated as taboo, or even erotic? Can you 
openly discuss it without it being a "sex talk"? Are you comfortable 
masturbating if your daughter's around and vice versa? I mean doing it when 
the other person just happens to be in the room, NOT putting on some kind of 
perverted show.   Sexual candidness is a prerequisite for incest, not a 
result.  How can you expect your daughter to feel empowered to initiate sex 
with you if something as basic and universal as masturbation is a taboo 
subject?

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Question: You're responses to most questions regarding incest are generally 
pretty negative yet at the same time you claim to enjoy it yourself.  Why all 
the pessimism?

Answer: My dad once told me that if you have to ask the price of a yacht, you 
can't afford it.  The same concept applies to incest.  If you have to ask me 
about it, you probably shouldn't be doing it.

When it comes to incest, the rules are a LOT different than ordinary sex with 
a boyfriend.  Bad sex with a boyfriend becomes a bad memory that you try to 
forget and avoid in the future.  A botched attempt at incest can ruin a 
family forever.   Is the risk really worth it?

You can't seduce your daughter the way you did your wife.  If your daughter 
doesn't make it perfectly clear that she wants to have sex with you, she 
doesn't - at least not deep in her heart where such a desire needs to 
originate.  Most girls get a crush on their dads at some stage but it's just 
a natural part of growing up, forming an emotional bond with the man you 
absolutely adore and trust.  For most girls, such a crush eventually matures 
into a healthy father- daughter relationship that does NOT include anything 
sexual.

I've seen many girls flirt with and tease their dads but it's just for fun 
and more a sign of her trust in him than any form of lust for him.  No girl 
should EVER be made to feel that she has to submit herself physically to her 
father in order to win his love.  For example, I know without a shred of 
doubt that I don't NEED to have sex with my dad to prove anything.  I have 
sex with my father BECAUSE I love and respect him - a big difference.  In my 
opinion, putting a daughter on a guilt trip just to have sex with her would 
be one of the worst forms of abuse a father could ever commit against his 
daughter.

The key is that I WANT to give myself to my dad which is an entirely 
different thing from feeling I HAVE to.  For me it is an extension of the 
same love and respect I would show him even if he didn't want to fuck me.  
You don't need incest to have a close relationship with your daughter so 
unless it's 100% obvious that the desire is in her to share herself with you 
in that way, stay away from incest and simply enjoy each other the way you 
are.

At the same time, if an opportunity for incest DID arise, it would be a 
tragedy NOT to take advantage of the situation and realize the incredible 
benefits that can arise from a healthy sexual relationship between a father 
and daughter.  I would never want to discourage "good" incest.  I just feel 
an obligation to warn people about the many pitfalls and make the think a 
little before they do anything rash that could ruin their lives and families.

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Question: My wife's friend is hot and I think she's interested in me.  What 
should I do? 

Answer: Well, first of all you are considering committing adultery, not 
incest, so the question doesn't even really apply in this article.

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Question: My wife's sister is hot and I think she's interested in me.  What 
should I do?

Answer: There is a significant difference between this question and the 
previous one since her sister is a part of your family (through marriage) and 
thus having sex with her would be incest, NOT adultery. Thus while it may be 
biblically permissible, the question is not what you CAN do, it's what you 
SHOULD do.  If you're wife is OK with it, then why not go for it?

When you consider doing this, it's similar to deciding to have sex with your 
daughter except you're dealing with a more mature woman which makes it easier 
as you don't have to deal with the development issues.  Is she married? If 
so, then that makes it tad more complicated, especially if her husband isn't 
on- board with the idea.

Don't ignore your potentially biggest ally - your wife.  First, she had 
better approve of anything you do with her sister BEFORE you make a move.  
Also, if anyone would know, she could tell you if her sister is just flirting 
or has a real interest in you.  Even if they haven't discussed it, women 
instinctively know these things, trust me.  If your wife approves of the idea 
but doesn't want to be involved herself, she could at least help get you and 
her sister together and thus make it a lot easier for you.

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Question: Do you know of anyone else that has had a positive experience with 
incest?

Answer: Actually, outside my family in real life - no and that doesn't 
surprise me in the least.  Other than my best friend Beth, I've never told 
anyone outside my family about my incestuous relationships.  For all I know, 
some of my girlfriends could be doing the same thing with their fathers as I 
do and I have no more idea about it than they do about me.  When incest 
becomes public knowledge, odds are almost 100% that it's about a BAD 
relationship, not a good one.  Our society is not supportive of incest and 
legal issues are also a concern, so I can't imagine any family with a healthy 
incestual relationship allowing anyone outside their family to know about it.

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Question: I subscribe to incest web sites and chat in a number of incest chat 
rooms.  Why is what you say about incest so different from what others say in 
these forums?

Answer: Well duh! If you believe anything at those sites then I have a 
wonderful bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.

The difference is simple - what I describe here is reality, not fantasy.   
Admittedly, I've only looked briefly at those types of sites but from what 
I've seen they're nothing but perverted male fantasies or, if true, 
confessions of child abuse and/or rape.  It's sort of like porn movies - you 
don't really think THEY reflect real life, do you?

My advice is to enjoy the incest sites on the Internet for entertainment if 
that gets you off but PLEASE, don't make ANY decisions about your real life 
and your daughter based on the ideas and "advice" you get from these sources.

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Question: I understand all you say but I still want to try to start something 
with my daughter.  She's fourteen, cute and I think she might be interested.   
How do I start?

Answer: A wise man once said, Everything before ‘but' is bullshit.  That 
said...

First of all, I hope you understand by now that I think you're totally wrong 
to do this and at best a fool, if not a pervert.  However, if you're bound 
and determined to go through with it anyway, I guess the least I can do is 
offer some advice to hopefully minimize the damage -and odds are there will 
be lots of it before it’s over.

Based on my experience, there should be a strong family support or history of 
incest in the family for incest to work in the current family structure.  
Lacking this, then you must first establish an atmosphere of trust from a 
sexual perspective.  The most direct means doing this is through 
masturbation.  If your daughter is too shy to let you watch her masturbate, 
then what makes you think she would suck your cock, let alone allow you to 
fuck her? If she's offended at the sight of you jerking off, then how can you 
expect her to let you cum on her face or in her mouth?

I can't emphasize enough that masturbation is THE key to opening up a more 
intimate relationship with your daughter.  As a natural function that almost 
everyone does, it allows for you to broach the subject of sex without the 
dangers inherent in going straight to initiating something physical between 
the two of you.  My advice is to start by allowing her "catch" you 
masturbating and see what her reaction is.  For heaven's sake, PLEASE don't 
push it! I wouldn't even let her know that you know she's watching at first.  
Slow and steady is the only way for this to work so be patient.  If she's 
interested, the natural response would be for her to let you "catch" her 
doing herself.  In this way you both have signaled your willingness to be 
more open sexually without making any commitment.  If she's offended (or 
worse, disgusted) at seeing her father jerking off, then please give it up 
and quit while you're ahead.  At least at that point you can explain it as a 
"mistake" which is a lot easier than trying to explain to the authorities why 
you were trying to grope her pussy while she sat on your lap.

Assuming you've both now demonstrated an interest through semi-private 
masturbation, the next step would be to be more open about it.  Invite her in 
your room to watch you jerk off while the two of you are watching a TV show 
and someone turns you on (my dad can never keep his cock in his pants when we 
watch StarGate SG1 and Amanda Tapping appears on the screen!).  This provides 
yet another opportunity to confirm her sexual intentions without having to 
make a physical commitment.

Assuming she is willing to watch you jerk off, continue only if her response 
is to respond in kind and allow you to see her openly masturbate.  Once she 
feels comfortable touching herself while you're watching, THEN you can feel 
confident enough to approach her, preferably while she's horny and 
masturbating.  If she ignores you, forget it.  She's probably too embarrassed 
to say anything directly so feigning a lack of interest is her way of saying 
you've gone too far.

If this all sounds too hard or complicated, then my advice is to just forget 
it.   The bottom line is to take a gradual approach to incest it such a 
manner that allows your daughter to "opt out" at any point without making a 
big issue out of it.

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Question: I'm a happily married man and been heterosexual all my life but yet 
I'm interested in my son in a sexual way.  Any ideas for approaching him?

Answer: I have no experience with this but my guess would be to approach it 
similar to a daughter except now you're adding in the homosexual factor - as 
if incest wasn't enough to deal with! I just see lots of complications.

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Question: My husband wants to have sex with our thirteen year-old daughter 
but he expects me to help get things started between them.  I'm not even sure 
I want them together in the first place but I also want to please my husband.  
What should I do?

Answer: This seems at first to be a simple problem but it is actually quite 
complex as it pits the obligations you have to submit to your husband against 
your responsibilities as a mother.  My first reaction to this question was to 
say not to do anything which would be in accordance with my first rule of 
incest, "if you're not 100% sure about it , DON'T DO IT!!!!" But then when I 
started to ponder it more, the issue of your submission to your husband come 
into the picture as well. So what takes precedence, your obligations to 
daughter or your husband?

In the end, you need to submit to your husband's wishes. Your husband is the 
head of the household and as such, should be the one to make the final 
decision.   I would only hope you have the opportunity to share with him some 
of the things I've said in this article which may persuade him to act 
differently.  Should he insist on moving forward with your daughter then I 
can only hope that you do everything you in your power to make it as 
meaningful and memorable for her as well.

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Question: When all is said and done, what is the biggest thing to keep in 
mind when considering whether or not to engage in incest?

Answer: Remember the rules I stated earlier this article.  Keep in mind that 
I would estimate that 99.99% of all families should NOT engage in incest so 
odds are you should NOT do it.

However, if a genuine opportunity should arise, I would hope that you take 
advantage of it.  The result could well be a more wonderful relationship with 
your son or daughter than you ever imagined possible.

PLEASE - always put your son or daughter's safety and well-being first.  Do 
NOT do anything that could possibly harm anyone just to satisfy your own 
sexual desires and cravings.  ALWAYS err on the side of caution.

 ALWAYS REMEMBER THIS: 

     YOU CAN LOVE YOUR DAUGHTER JUST AS MUCH WITHOUT FUCKING HER! 
e end, you need to submit to your husband's wishes. Your husband is the 
head of the household and as such, should be the one to make the final 
decision.  I would only hope you have the opportunity to share with him some 
of the things I've said in this article which may persuade him to act 
differently.  Should he insist on moving forward with your daughter then I can 
only hope that you do everything you in your power to make it as meaningful 
and memorable for her as well.

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Question: When all is said and done, what is the biggest thing to keep in mind 
when considering whether or not to engage in incest?

Answer: Remember the rules I stated earlier this article.  Keep in mind that I 
would estimate that 99.99% of all families should NOT engage in incest so odds 
are you should NOT do it.

However, if a genuine opportunity should arise, I would hope that you take 
advantage of it.  The result could well be a more wonderful relationship with 
your son or daughter than you ever imagined possible.

PLEASE - always put your son or daughter's safety and well-being first.  Do 
NOT do anything that could possibly harm anyone just to satisfy your own 
sexual desires and cravings.  ALWAYS err on the side of caution.

 ALWAYS REMEMBER THIS: 

    YOU CAN LOVE YOUR DAUGHTER JUST AS MUCH WITHOUT FUCKING HER! 
