Subject:     My Thoughts About Underage Sex 
Story Codes: Mf, Fm, mf, Mg, Fb, bg, inc, oral 
Date:        March 12, 2012 
Author:      Kelly <pghpa_girl@yahoo.com>

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Summary:

I have posted a number of fantasies and stories that include references to 
sex with underage children, in some cases these can be quite graphic and few 
I would even call disturbing.  As a result, I get a lot of mail about it - 
some supportive, some not (to put it mildly).  In almost every case, positive 
and negative, I find that people really don't understand my true position on 
the subject so I wrote this article to try and clear things up a bit.

Table of Contents:   
   Chapter 1 - Disclaimers   
   Chapter 2 - My Core Principles   
   Chapter 3 - Definitions   
   Chapter 4 - Summary   
   Chapter 5 - Some General Thoughts About Underage Sex   
   Chapter 6 - A Typical Girl's Sexual Timeline   
   Chapter 7 - Child Sex (under 8)   
   Chapter 8 - Child Sex (ages 8, 9)   
   Chapter 9 - Preteen Sex (ages 10-12)   
   Chapter 10 - Underage Teenage Sex (ages 13-17)   
   Chapter 11 - "Borderline" Sex (ages 16, 17)   
   Chapter 12 - Incestual Sex


Chapter 1 - Disclaimers
=======================

Let me make this perfectly clear from the start....

I do NOT engage in underage sex of ANY kind.  I do not trade photos of anyone 
under eighteen that I would not have on display when my pastor visits.  I do 
NOT promote or otherwise encourage or enable anyone to actually do ANYTHING 
illegal.

That said, I will readily admit that I encourage people to express their most 
intimate and personal dreams and desires.  Sometimes these include references 
to underage sex.  I tolerate these so long as they are limited to a person's 
FANTASIES and not any real actions on their part.

I believe a person's fantasies should be respected, no matter how perverse or 
disgusting they may seem to others (including me) so long as that person can 
separate fantasy and reality.  I may not agree with a lot of them but I 
strongly believe in their right to express them. As such, anything I post 
regarding underage sex should be regarded as fictional fantasies. 

Please keep in mind that what I describe in this article are my OPINIONS, not 
a reflection of my ACTIONS.  This is simply how things would be if I ruled 
the world...


Chapter 2 - My Core Principles
==============================

Here are some basic principles that guide my thoughts regarding underage sex:

1. The needs of a child ALWAYS come first.  When it comes to sex or 
   anything even remotely related to it, if there is ANY doubt, don't do 
   it.  It is ALWAYS better to err on the side of caution.

2. Sex between adults and underage kids is illegal in the USA and most 
   other countries.  Thus as a general rule, I do not condone sex between 
   adults and minors, even when it is incestual.  Carefully consideration 
   is required beforehand as to the potential psychological, physical, 
   moral, ethical and legal ramifications.

3. Incestual sex, at least when practiced properly and NOT as a 
   rationalization for child abuse, is different from "regular" sex in 
   that family love and support mechanisms are hopefully present.  As a 
   result my "rules" for underage sex for incest are less restrictive.

4. I abhor child abuse, especially sexual molestation and exploitation.  
   People who abuse children deserve the maximum punishment allowable.


Chapter 3 - Definitions
=======================

All of these definitions are based on my own perspectives using principles 
and concepts which guide my life and actions.  No doubt your spouse, family, 
friends, church, and local law authorities may have widely varying opinions.

Sex:    The penetration, however slight, of a female vagina by a male 
        penis.  Even if the hymen remains intact or not all of the dick 
        gets in the  pussy, it's still sex.  Once ANY part of a dick is 
        in her, even if  it's just the very tip, it's as good as ALL in.  
        Thus a girl can have an intact hymen but NOT be a virgin.

Family: The members of your immediate family out to and including first  
        cousins, whether by blood OR marriage.

Incest: The act of sex between members of the same family.  Thus by this  
        definition, whether or not a "sex" constitutes "incest" is 
        determined  by the family relationship between the partners, not 
        just their DNA.  For example, sex between a girl and her brother-
        in-law is incest.

Adultery: When a married person has sex with someone not in their family.  
        Sex that qualifies as "incest" is between family members and thus 
        is NOT adultery.  This is important to note since it means you 
        can't commit adultery unless you're married.  If you're single 
        and have sex with a married partner (assuming it's not 
        incestual), THEY are the ones committing adultery, not you.

        It's is also important to distinguish that it is the ACT, not the  
        INTENT, that constitutes adultery.  Adultery is not necessarily  
        "cheating".  However, just because your spouse is "OK" with it,  
        adultery is still adultery and as such, a violation of the Ten 
        Commandments.  For many people, the "sin" aspect is unimportant 
        and  thus "swinging" is fine with them - but that's their 
        decision.  It's STILL adultery by definition.  

Oral "Sex": Sex is fundamentally a reproductive act, albeit most of the 
        time  that isn't the intended purpose.  This by definition, oral 
        "sex" is  NOT sex (yes, Bill Clinton was technically correct, 
        although not  politically).  Because it is NOT sex, engaging in 
        oral "sex" cannot be  considered cheating or incest.  Note that 
        by using the same logic, anal "sex" is not sex either.

Virgin: Someone who has never engaged in sex.  Note that this definition 
        has nothing to do with the status of a girl's hymen.  Many girls 
        rupture their hymens through sports, masturbation or other 
        activities but they are still virgins as they haven't had sex.  
        Also, just because a man doesn't penetrate a girl enough to break 
        her hymen doesn't mean it wasn't sex.  It should go without 
        saying that engaging in "oral sex" has no impact on person's 
        virginity status.

Underage: A general term for anyone under the age of eighteen.  I realize 
        that "age of consent" varies between states but for simplicity, I 
        just use eighteen.

Preteen: Ages 10, 11 and 12.

Child:   Ages 8 or 9 years old.  


Chapter 4 - Summary
===================

Let me try to sum up what has turned into more of an opus than an article.  
Hopefully I didn't confuse people even more but it's a complicated subject.  
Here is a summary of what I have tried to express:

Child (under 8)
   YES: familiarization with nudity, instruction regarding modesty  
   NO:  ANY sexual contact imposed by an adult 
        ANY involvement in sexual activities, e.g. observing sex 
        ANY detailed discussions about sex

Child (8-10)
   YES: hand or oral stimulation  discussions about sex but no direct 
        involvement
   NO:  sex (penetration)  

Preteen (11-12)  
   YES: masturbation sex with partner in this age group 
        incestual sex with an adult  
   NO:  non-incestual sex with an older partner  

Underage (13-17)  
   YES: incestual sex with an adult 
        non-incestual sex with adult under parental supervision  
   NO:  non-incestual sex with an adult w/out parental supervision


Chapter 5 - Some General Thoughts About Underage Sex
====================================================

Let me make this clear yet again - I do NOT have sex of any kind with anyone 
who is underage.

Forgetting the complicated moral and ethical issues for a moment, the legal 
risks alone are enough to keep me from doing anything like that for real.  I 
simply won't jeopardize my teaching career or my family's security just for a 
few moments of "fun".  If you read or hear me say anything different on-line, 
then you should automatically assume that I'm just going along with the 
conversation and am NOT being serious.

Have you ever noticed how many erotic story and porn sites promote the idea 
of young children enjoying sex, even at the age of five or six or even 
younger in extreme cases? Now if all this is ONLY someone's fantasy, then 
despite any personal objections I may have about the subject matter, I 
wouldn't condemn it because of my "anything goes when it comes to fantasy" 
principle.  However, if such actions ARE real, then that's an entirely 
different issue.

If there is one crime even more contemptible than rape, it would be child 
molestation.  To take advantage of the innocence of a child to satisfy 
someone's own perverted desires is a heinous and horrific crime.  
Psychologists claim that pedophilia is NOT treatable so anyone engaging in 
child molestation should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law and then 
kept isolated from children for the rest of their miserable slimy lives.

Nobody can ever convince me that a child, or even a preteen, has the ability 
to CONSENT to having SEX.  By "consent", I'm referring to a mature 
understanding of the concept and ramifications, not agreeing to the act 
itself.  Any child will "consent" to many things a more mature person would 
not, especially if they think it would please their parents.  Agreeing to do 
something is not the same as consenting to it.  It's why most of our laws 
define the legal age of consent as being eighteen, to ensure the person is 
mature enough to make certain decisions.

Because they cannot consent, I do NOT believe that any preteen (a child under 
the age of thirteen) should engage in sex under ANY circumstance.  Regardless 
of whether they "agree" to it or not, sex with a child that age is child 
molestation.  Even though they might enjoy it or find it pleasurable, 
especially at the upper end of the age range, they should NOT be involved 
with sex because of the potential negative implications for their future 
health - mental and physical.  Even thirteen is not old enough in my opinion 
for most kids to be involved with sex.  Thirteen should be considered a 
minimum age, not a recommendation.

While I can't speak authoritatively for boys, I CAN say that even if a young 
girl can be physically stimulated and enjoys being touched in a sexual 
manner, it doesn't mean she likes SEX.  All it means is she likes to be 
touched that way.  For a young girl, touching her chest and crotch is no 
different than touching her back or legs in that she simply enjoys the 
feelings she gets when those place are touched.  

For instance, my parents use to scratch my back at night when I was young and 
I loved it, often helping me to fall sleep on those nights when I was 
restless.  They could just as easily have fondled my pussy and flat chest 
with the same results and I would've never have known the difference but that 
wouldn't have made it right.  A girl needs to learn to respect her body and 
to expect others to respect it as well if she is ever going to be comfortable 
with herself later in life.

Frankly, I don't believe 99% of the things people tell me they do with kids 
but often I'll go along with them if they're fun to talk to.  Over the years 
there have been a few situations where I worried that things might actually 
be getting out of hand for real at the other end.  In those cases I 
immediately cut off all contact with that person.  Maybe I should've turned 
them over to the authorities as well but I just didn't want to be associated 
with them any further.

If any of this seems odd to hear from me, it's probably because you've been 
reading my chats and e-mails without paying attention to my REAL thoughts and 
opinions.  While I've chatted with people, exchanged e-mails, and even 
written fantasies about preteen and child sex, they have NEVER been anything 
more than just fantasies and role-playing for me (as I believe it is for them 
as well).  

Because of the chats and e-mails and stories I have posted, I know people 
often get the wrong impression of me.  Even though I say over and over again 
how I really feel, people continue to ignore me and then write to accuse me 
of being a pedophile or just plain perverted.  Thus through this article I'm 
trying to put this issue to rest once and for all.  This article was very 
hard to write as while I feel I fully understand my principles and guidelines 
quite well, putting them down on paper was a lot harder than I'd expected.  
My apologies if this is getting redundant but I just want to be sure people 
don't misunderstand what I'm trying to say and maybe they can finally 
understand how I really feel about this subject.


Chapter 6 - A Typical Girl's Sexual Timeline
============================================

Before discussing underage sex, I think it's important to understand the 
"normal" timeline for most girls when it comes to dealing with sex.  I don't 
intend for this to be some sort of sex-ed text so I'll stick just to the 
basic sexual acts which I find most resources don't like to discuss with any 
sense of reality.  If anyone wants to learn about child physical development 
and such, there are plenty of web sites available.  Also, as I don't have 
much experience with boys, most of this discussion will be about girls.

When does a girl learn that nudity is "bad", or least naughty? If you watch 
young children, the girls will often run around bare-chested and think 
nothing of it - and why should they? They look like the boys and nobody has 
taught them yet that it's "wrong" to run around with their nipples showing.  
Being worried about nudity is NOT something that comes natural to kids.  
Sadly it is something we TEACH our children.

Don't get me wrong - I'm not a nudist and I don't really comprehend the 
nudist lifestyle so let's leave that out of the discussion.  My belief is 
that some modesty is typically called for and that kids should be taught what 
is appropriate under what circumstances given our culture and lifestyles.  
However, I DO believe we go overboard when it comes to making our kids (and 
thus future adults) neurotic about nudity.

Instead of teaching that nudity is wrong, I believe children need to be 
taught it is something natural - while not to be flaunted either.  For 
instance, running around the house bare-ass naked all the time is 
inappropriate so far as I'm concerned.  However, a girl shouldn't have to 
feel be embarrassed just because her daddy or brother sees her naked in the 
bathroom - no more than they should have to hide themselves from her when 
they get out of the shower.

If kids were taught that there is nothing to be ashamed of when it comes to 
their bodies, they wouldn't associate nudity so closely with sex when they 
got older.  Kids today grow up to be teens thinking that being nude with 
someone means you should be having sex with them.  That's a screwed-up 
connection that simply wouldn't be established if we taught our kids properly 
when they were younger.

Because of this misguided connection, and because we teach our kids that sex 
is "bad" before marriage, girls start worrying about covering themselves up 
at an early age.  Even a six year-old will cover her flat chest if exposed 
accidentally - but only because her mommy has taught her to react that way.  
Then when she reaches puberty and starts to change, she DOES become 
embarrassed as she's told that people aren't suppose to see those "naughty" 
parts of her.  Yet at the same time our society promotes more and more sexy 
outfits and skimpy bikinis.  Is it any wonder so many teenage girls have such 
screwed up self- images?

Another crazy "connection" we teach our kids is that masturbation and sex are 
directly related.  Masturbation is a healthy, normal act that just about 
everyone does, even if they don't like to discuss it or even admit they do 
it.  Yet for some reason we teach our kids that masturbation is bad, or at 
least naughty, as if somehow that will keep them from having sex before they 
get older.

This is similar to the point about nudity I just made.  Imagine if we taught 
our kids that masturbation wasn't something they had to hide or be ashamed of 
when they did it.  Just think of how much more comfortable they would be with 
their own bodies and their own sexuality.  Don't get me wrong - I'm not 
promoting "masturbation night" or anything ridiculous like that, just that we 
allow our kids to understand it's something perfectly natural that their 
parents also do and that when they get old enough to do it themselves that's 
it's OK.  Imagine how much better a long car ride would be if your kids felt 
free to masturbate when they got bored?

Placing masturbation on the sexual timeline, I started masturbating when I 
was eleven and most girls I know also started around that age although some 
waited until as late as thirteen or fourteen, although sixteen is about the 
oldest I know of.

It's odd that our society accepts that men masturbate and while they are 
supposedly discouraged from doing it (hence all the "hairy palm" warnings), 
it seems to be commonly accepted that boys jerk off.  However, the same type 
of "acceptance" doesn't seem to apply to girls yet so far as I can tell, 
girls masturbate just as much as boys - if not more in some cases.

Whatever the case, I think because of all of this that the true extent of 
female masturbation is not understood by most boys and I think even most 
fathers would be shocked to know how often their daughters were doing 
themselves (and probably a few moms as well).  It seems such a shame that 
they're taught that they have to hide something that is so natural and 
commonplace.

By the end of her preteen years, the typical girl is masturbating regularly 
and is now starting to consider actually having sex with boys.  Her body is 
magically transforming and she is well aware that boys (and men) are looking 
at her a lot differently than they were not long ago.  Unfortunately, she's 
been brainwashed to think that she shouldn't show them her private parts of 
her body but yet she knows that with some simple flirting she can get a 
reaction from them.  She's constantly worried that her body doesn't measure 
up to her friends and is confused by the conflicting standards set for her by 
parents, friends, and society.

Becoming a teenager is quite a difficult time for a girl and the adults in 
her life don't help a bit by trying to suppress her natural feelings and 
needs.

As a girl gets into her preteen years and approaches her early teens, the 
sleepovers with her friends start getting more interesting.  Mostly it's just 
a lot of teasing and "Truth or Dare" games with little, if any real actions.  
Being in a group helps to lower inhibitions.  After all, if everyone is doing 
it then it's not like it's something personal.  The "sleepover" tradition is 
usually when most girls have their first kiss and I don't mean with a boy.  
Indeed, most girls I know had their first kiss with another girl, not a boy! 
For me, it wasn't anything romantic or sexual, just curiosity that was pushed 
into action by a dare.  For most girls it's a lot safer to learn to kiss with 
their friends than with a boy - both emotionally as well physically.  I don't 
think any of us felt anything really sexual when we kissed, it was more like 
holding hands in that we did it just to experiment and have fun.

As girls move further into their teens years, the kissing and teasing between 
them starts to get more serious.  I was thirteen the first time I masturbated 
with another girl.  Like my first kiss, it was at a sleepover at a friend's 
house and we were up late and getting sort of crazy.  We'd been through the 
kissing rounds already and now the talk was about boys and how they made us 
feel.  One thing led to another and soon we were touching ourselves in the 
dimly lit room, barely able to see each other.  There was nothing overtly 
sexual between us and nobody ever made a serious attempt to touch anyone 
else.  Again, there was safety in numbers and since everyone was doing it 
then it was OK.

Fourteen seems to be the age the "early" girls start having sex.  There may 
be some fondling and heavy petting earlier, but I don't know of many girls 
who had voluntarily sex before they turned fourteen.  For instance, I was 
fourteen when I lost my virginity to my boyfriend.  It was at that age when 
my mom first had sex.  It was also the age my best friend lost her virginity 
as well as when my cousins Kristi and Tammy had sex for the first time.  That 
said, most of my friends waited longer with some even waited until they were 
seventeen or eighteen before "doing it".  Overall, I would say the most 
likely age for girls to lose their virginity is around sixteen with more 
losing it before then than after.

Just a note - most of my friends, including me, first had sex with a boy 
older than them.  For example, Steve was the boy who I had sex with first and 
he was sixteen at the time which made him two years older than me.

In summary, for most girls I would say a quick timeline would be innocent 
curiosity until masturbation starts sometime after eleven.  Then it's kissing 
girls, leading to group masturbation with girls between thirteen and 
fourteen.  Then they start kissing boys and some heavy petting followed by 
sex with a boy between fourteen and sixteen.

Of course, these ages can vary significantly based on family backgrounds, 
religious convictions, local culture, and a host of other factors.  If 
anything, I would say these are the "low end" of the time-line spectrum, with 
many girls advancing through these steps at later ages - some significantly 
later.  Personally, I feel it's better to be later than sooner.  I'd rather a 
girl be sure she is ready than jump in and do something that she regrets 
later.


Chapter 7 - Child Sex (under 8)
===============================

This is the easiest chapter to write.  Any child under the age of eight 
should NOT be involved in sex in ANY! That includes ANY form of fondling or 
groping in a sexual manner, including oral sex.  Children this age should not 
be exposed to sex which means keep them out of the bedroom during sex - or 
wherever else you do it.  It just raises questions for which they are too 
young to understand the answers.

What SHOULD be done at this age is help them to learn about nudity and 
modesty.  It doesn't mean they should be taught to be ashamed of being seen 
nude, but they need to understand when it is appropriate.  It's a hard thing 
for a child that age to understand fully but at least they are getting a head 
start on most other kids.


Chapter 8 - Child Sex (Ages 8, 9)
=================================

I don't think that kids this age are even ready to discuss sex , let alone 
engage in it.  Thus sex for boys and girls should not be allowed at this age.  
The basics of sex should begin to be discussed, but that doesn't mean they 
need a "demonstration" or anything more direct.

I don't believe girls this age are emotionally ready to be fondled or touched 
sexually.  They may find it pleasurable and some more precocious girls may 
even start exploring themselves and begin masturbating.  This should not be 
discouraged but at the same time, NOT encouraged unless they are already 
doing it on their own.  

For a girl, her sexuality is a very personal and emotional issue which is why 
I say she is not ready at this age for sex.  However, that doesn't mean she 
can't begin to understand the male anatomy, particularly the penis.  I think 
the earlier a girl learns that a man's penis is fun to play with and how it 
makes him happy when she does so, that she will be more likely to be open to 
oral sex and ENJOY it when she is older rather than simply tolerate it 
because her boyfriend or husband enjoys it.  Really, what's wrong with a 
young girl sucking a man's dick, even at this age? If it helps her gain 
confidence and promotes her self-image as a result of the accolades she is 
given as a result, why not let her do it?

For boys, while sex is off-limits their dicks can still respond and they 
should be taught why and how it can give them pleasure.  Oral sex with a 
young boy is fine so long as he is old enough to get an erection and orgasm, 
even though he may not yet ejaculate.  It really doesn't matter who does it, 
the act is the same so whether it's a girl his age or an older woman it's all 
basically the same.  

Childhood is a period in a young child's life when kids learn that adults do 
certain things that kids can't - no different than they can drive cars and 
other "adult" activities.  I don't think parents should have sex in front of 
their kids but they can still be intimate and loving.  Masturbation need not 
be hidden but at the same time, a child in this age group usually isn't ready 
to masturbate so all that needs to be taught is that it is OK for mom and dad 
and that someday they will want to do it too.


Chapter 9 - Preteen Sex (Ages 10-12)
====================================

As a reminder, I do not believe in preteen sex under ANY circumstances - 
period.  Girls that age are simply not mature enough to make such a life-
changing decision.  It's an age when girls are already struggling to deal 
with the onset of puberty and are anxiously trying desperately to "grow up".  
All this makes them easy to influence, even when it's not in their best 
interest.  For an adult to take advantage of a preteen's natural instincts 
and curiosity for their own pleasure is simply wrong.

Given many girls start masturbating as preteens, it's not like a parent can 
just hope to ignore the issue of sex at this age either.  Thus parents should 
actively encourage masturbation, allowing their kids to freely do it when 
they need to without having to run to their rooms and hide.  Kids should 
learn that their budding sexuality is a gift, not a curse or something 
shameful.  

The preteen years are also the time for parents to give the detailed version 
of the "birds and bees" talk.  Kids still don't need a demonstration or 
anything crazy like that although some people use this to rationalize their 
perverted behavior with a preteen.  There are plenty of videos and books that 
can help get the point across without actually doing anything.

I also believe that at as they approach their teen years that mutual 
masturbation should also be encouraged.  There's no reason why boys and girls 
shouldn't masturbate together and learn about each other's sexuality although 
it should be supervised to ensure they don't get too carried away.

Allowing a girl at any age to fondle a man's cock shouldn't be something 
viewed as perverted or obscene.  I mean, if a daughter can rub her dad's 
back, why not his dick? Just because he becomes sexually aroused doesn't mean 
SHE does.  Now if he can't control his urges under the circumstances, then 
THAT is another issue and would serve as a case against her touching him 
again, at least until she is older and he can respond without causing 
problems.

While I don't see anything wrong with HER touching HIM, at the same time I 
really don't see what is to be gained by ANYONE fondling a young girl's 
private areas.  It's not like she gets any true sexual pleasure from it the 
way her dad does when she takes care of his dick so why do it? Thus in short, 
I think a girl should not be touched sexually by anyone until she is ready to 
have real sex.

If she hasn't started already, the preteen years are a great age for girls to 
learn how to give oral sex to a boy or even adult men.  It allows her to 
express her burgeoning sexuality in a non-sexual, non-threatening manner.  It 
also provides a man to have the opportunity to satisfy his "needs" with girl 
this age without engaging in sex.  Basically I see it as a decent compromise 
where a girl can express her sexuality without having sex.

While I think it's fine for a girl to touch a boy at this age, I don't 
believe that boys should be touching preteen girls.  Maybe two girls can play 
together a bit but definitely not boy-girl.  It as age where the girl is 
already having to deal with issues of self-image and sexual development and 
to muddy the waters with heavy fondling to petting is simply not a good idea.  


Chapter 10 - Underage Teenage Sex (Ages 13-17)
==============================================

First, this is not intended to be a debate regarding premarital sex or the 
morality of teenage sex.  It is a simple fact that sex between consenting 
teens has always been and always will be with us and nothing we say or do is 
going to change that.  Personally, I believe if we taught our kids proper 
methods of birth control, how to avoid the risk of STDs, and perhaps even a 
bit about HOW to do it, that we would have a lot less problems with sexually 
transmitted disease and teen pregnancies.  Some of this should be taught in 
school, some in church, and some at home.  It doesn't matter to me WHERE kids 
learn it so long as it's not at the playground or the backseat of a car!

Teenage sex is probably the most pure and unadulterated form of sex.  Teens 
may think they are in love but it's all raging hormones and lust.  I think if 
we were cavemen that this would be the age when procreation would be at its 
peak, when bodies are youthful and strong.  How do you tell two teenagers NOT 
to have sex when everything in them is driving them to do it? Why are we 
trying to thwart the natural laws of nature? Why don't we instead HELP them 
by making it easier to have SAFE sex?

Thus I see nothing wrong with two underage kids having sex - of course 
assuming it's consensual.  In fact, I think parents should actively encourage 
their kids to be open about sex and provide them with a safe environment 
where they can practice safe sex without the fear of "being caught".  It's 
not like they need to "perform" for their parents or anything ridiculous like 
that.  Rather mom and dad should respect their kid's privacy, allowing the 
bedroom door to be closed and then not say anything afterwards about it which 
would embarrass either of them.

My parents did just this with me when I was dating, although I don't think 
most of the boys I brought home realized it.  They would stay downstairs in 
the family room and so far as the boy was concerned, were totally oblivious 
to what we were doing in my bedroom.  It was certainly a lot better than 
trying to get laid in the backseat of a car plus I felt a whole lot more 
secure having sex at home which allowed me to enjoy myself more, knowing my 
dad was not far away should anything get out of hand.

When it comes to sex between adults and underage teens, that's a lot more 
complicated.  First of all, it's illegal in every state, although the age of 
consent varies considerably (which is insane when you think about it).  Sex 
with younger boys isn't my biggest fantasy in any case, but because it IS 
illegal that I avoid having sex with underage boys and girls not matter what 
my feelings may be at the time.  Not only would it jeopardize my family, as a 
teacher it would end my career if anything like that became public knowledge 
so it's just not worth the risk for me.  There have been many opportunities 
for me to be with a younger boy over the years, but I have ALWAYS turned them 
down.

Another factor to keep in mind when considering sex between an adult and an 
underage teen is WHY they are doing it.  Face it, you can try and rationalize 
it all you want but in the end, it's all about lust and sexual self-
gratification.  It's not like there is anything romantic involved, or any 
intent to establish a relationship.  So is it worth it? Personally I don't 
think so.  Thus as a general rule I would advise that sex between adults and 
underage teens should be avoided.  Then again, although this is NOT something 
I recommend or promote, if it IS done then the girl should be at least 
fourteen and the boy sixteen at a minimum.  Granted, there may be exceptions 
in certain circumstances, such as incest, but I will discuss those later.  


Chapter 11 - "Borderline" Sex (Ages 16, 17)
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One "problem" in life is that girls mature sexually much sooner and faster 
than boys.  That's why most girls lose their virginity to an older guy (my 
boyfriend Steve was two years older than me for instance).  This "sexual gap" 
seems to get only wider through the teens years.  It isn't until boys get 
into their twenties that they start to catch up with the girls, although I 
know some women who would claim they never do! Thus most girls learn early to 
associate good sex with older boys, even men, because the boys their age are 
essentially idiots with erections.  For some girls, like me, once you start 
down that road you find that even men older than your father can be nice to 
be with, at least with regards to giving sex.

The reason I mention the age differential thing is that it's just silly for 
boys and girls to have the same legal age of consent.  For most boys, 
eighteen is probably about right as before then they just want to fuck 
anything with two legs and that's all they think about.  Not that it's all 
that much better when they're older but at least it's an improvement.  Girls, 
on the other hand, are typically ready for sex by the age of sixteen.  There 
are girls like me that are raised in more supportive families or simply 
mature earlier and are thus ready sooner, but I think the legal age for girls 
could easily be lowered to sixteen without any ill effects

Does something happen magically at midnight when you turn eighteen that all 
of a sudden it is OK to have sex? Many twenty year-olds are less mature 
sexually than some sixteen year-olds so is eighteen really all that 
important? Well, my dad's a lawyer and he would argue that SOME age is 
required so we have something to fall back on.  Forgetting the legal issues 
for the moment, I think common sense has to come into play.  If an eighteen 
year-old boy has sex with his seventeen year-old girlfriend, and she wants it 
just as much as he does, is that statutory rape? Bottom line, there is no 
bottom line and despite our culture's senseless drive towards unyielding 
"zero-tolerance" rules we all need to step back and ask, "Is it right?" Is 
sex between a forty year-old man and a fifteen year-old girl the same as if 
she had sex with a twenty-five year-old guy? What if he's twenty...  or 
eighteen? I guess if nothing can be resolved, then you go with the "18" rule 
but I hope that someday our society learns to assess the results as much as 
the act.

What I'm trying to say in this section is that I think when the partners are 
both within a year or two of being eighteen, the line is very blurry and we 
should allow nature to take its course.  Of course, for those like me who 
have careers hanging in the balance, there can be no such vagueness so even 
if a boy was two days from his eighteenth birthday I wouldn't have sex with 
him but I can understand why others would feel differently.


Chapter 12 - Incestual Sex
==========================

This is a touchy subject as people have been using incest to rationalize 
child molestation for centuries - probably one of the major reasons why 
incest is illegal in every state.  Assuming (and I realize this is a HUGE 
assumption), that the family is practicing PROPER incest and not just taking 
advantage of their children, I believe underage sex can be appropriate so 
long as it is done with the proper family support and love.  

If a father wants to use sex as a means to form an intimate relationship with 
his daughter, demonstrating his fatherly love for her and showing his respect 
for her as a woman, then that is a different story entirely.  On the other 
hand, if sex between a father and daughter is nothing more than a forty year-
old man wanting to fuck a fourteen year-old girl, then that is clearly wrong.  
Of course it's impossible to totally keep lust out of the equation, nor 
should it be, but it shouldn't be the driving factor.  

I believe a girl should be at least thirteen before she has sex with the men 
in her family such as her father or uncle.  If I REALLY had my druthers, she 
might start having sex at fourteen with someone more her age like a brother 
or cousin and wait a couple more years before even considering doing any of 
the adults in her family (although I would make an exception in allowing her 
dad to have her virginity).  Basically, the older a girl is before she starts 
having sex, the better from every emotional and physical perspective.  Then 
again, if a girl is truly ready (as I feel I was when I was fourteen), then 
why hold her back because of some arbitrary age limit?

What about younger brothers and sisters having sex? As teens, I would apply 
basically the same rules as for teenagers in general.  Just think about how 
it would be if they were just a boy and girl and school and apply the same 
rules.  Being brother and sister doesn't really make any difference so far 
was whether they SHOULD do it or not.  Whether or not they WANT to should be 
entirely up to them and not as a result of any pressure applied by the 
family.  Face it, most brother and sisters don't even get along well enough 
to want to have sex with each other.

When it comes to younger siblings, it's about the same as for when discussing 
either one of them in isolation.  If a boy is old enough to get an erection 
and can feel sexual pleasure from a hand-job or blowjob, then why not let his 
sister do it?  Brothers, like fathers, should leave their sister's sexual 
areas alone until she is ready to have real sex with them.

THE END 
