Pedo Chat #2

'BETTER THAN AN ADULT??'

The second in a series of dialogues on the subject of pedophilia, debating one issue or another. They range from 1,000 to 3,000 words, taking 10-20 mins to read. This one is 3,000. Here two friends, one a pedo and the other a tolerant non-pedo friend, have a heated discussion. The author does not condone any actions described herein, and the reader is expected to separate reality from harmless fantasy.

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IAN: Oh, for God's sake, how can sex with a `child' possibly be better than with an adult??



PHIL: [Defensively]. All sorts of reasons.



IAN: Give me one.



PHIL: It's sweeter.



IAN: `Sweeter'? How?



PHIL: All sorts of reasons.



IAN: Explain one.



PHIL: The size. She's smaller. That is really appealing.



IAN: I would have thought it was a problem!



PHIL: Not, it's part of the appeal. I find her small body so cute. Incredibly arousing. It's perfection, like an exquisite little work of art.



IAN: Tsk. I can see how she can be `pretty'. Everybody thinks a child is pretty. Children are `cute'; fact. But to find them sexually attractive? I just don't get it.



PHIL: You just haven't tried to look at them that way.



IAN: No. Because I don't want to. Nature designed us for sex with women, and I want a woman. I want an `equal' - equal in size, more or less, and equal in ability and equal in mental age.



PHIL: Ah, well, you see - it's precisely the absence of those things that is the turn-on.



IAN: `Turn-on'?! That her body is small and not ready for it? That she doesn't understand sex, much less `want' it? That you have nothing in common mentally?



PHIL: Who says we have nothing in common?



IAN: It's obvious! A child can't be on the same wavelength as an adult. She hasn't had the same experiences. She hasn't got the same outlook on life.



PHIL: Hey, but you're talking as if it's a `relationship'. Yeah, I admit those things would help if you wanted a full sexual relationship with the child, as in love and friendship.



IAN: The very concept, `relationship' is impossible. She hasn't got a sex-drive, and she can't consent on equal terms.



PHIL: No, but that doesn't mean it's not a `relationship'. It's just not an equal relationship in the sense of adult couples. Anyway, parent-child is a relationship, isn't it, but that's not an `equal' one either.



IAN: No, it's a nurturing and protective one!



PHIL: Well, I say sex with a child is a nurturing one. Just not in the conventional sense. Also, I would feel very protective of her. It's love as well as lust, and an especially sweet kind of love. Especially sweet kind of lust, too.



IAN: It's exploitation. She's not being given a choice, and she's pushed into things she is not ready for.



PHIL: `Ready for'? When are any of us ready for anything, I mean really? It's only society's conventions that stops them being trained to have sex. There's all sort of things children are forced to do in life which is outside their comfort zone, initially. Why not add sex to them?



IAN: It's destruction of innocence. They have a right to childhood.



PHIL: Pah! What's `childhood'? They lose innocence sooner or later in all kinds of ways. The main thing about childhood is it's a time when you don't have to earn a living, or be responsible, and you can `play'. Sex is just another type of `play'.



IAN: No it's not. It's scary and strange to them. They have no natural inclination for it. A 9-year-old girl does not want `sex'. She wants to play with dolls or do knitting or cookery...



PHIL: Or go dancing - a semi-sexual thing - or try on make-up and sing pop songs in a `sexy' way, just like their idols. You see, the basic urge is there in them, just waiting to be brought out.



IAN: Poppycock! They do those things you said in an innocent, unknowing way. The last thing they are thinking about is having a penis put up their vaginas!



PHIL: Ha, unless they've been shown about that! And the pleasures of their little clits. Believe me, at that age they CAN experience that pleasure.



IAN: What? A penis put up them? Come on, that must really hurt, that's even if it's possible.



PHIL: With a 9-year-old, it's possible, in part anyway. Besides, penetration is only one aspect of sex.



IAN: Yes, but surely it's the central aspect of it. It's the main reason adult's do it! That's why ti can't be a proper sexual relationship if you can't do that.



PHIL: Who says you `can't do that'? Just has to be done with more caution, and maybe not expect to get your full length in.



IAN: [Pulls a face of distaste]. Obviously you're not going to get your `full length' into a child of 9. It's shocking, and not a bit appealing to think of trying it with her. She's just not designed for it, it's against nature.



PHIL: She's every bit `designed' for it! She has a cunt, and it's meant for taking a penis up it! It's just earlier than common practise, that's all. And who says it is against nature? In the ancestory of humans there's always been child-sex.



IAN: There's always been cancer. Doesn't mean it's right. Anyway, we're getting into morality now, which is not the purpose of this debate.



PHIL: Yes, but it does touch on why `sex with a child is good'. It's the issue of her having a latent instinct for it, and the pleasure of `training' her to it - the turn-on of knowing you are giving her something new, drawing it out of her, and being the first to take her there: THAT is a big reason why it is better than with an adult female.



IAN: Alright. I can accept why you might see the appeal in that. What if you are not the first she's had, though? Would it still be better than with an adult?



PHIL: Yes. It's still a child you are doing it with, and she still has sweet attributes of a child even though not `innocent' in that sense anymore.



IAN: If she's lost her innocence, what are the attributes that are sweet, then?



PHIL: That fact she is still passive - unless an extremely confident and aggressive type of child! - and is easily led. You see, the joy is in being in control, being the dominant partner. It's kind of like being parent and lover rolled to one. Of course, it's literally both if you're a Dad abusing your daughter.


IAN: Ha, you see, you said `abuse'. So, you're admitting it's wrong and unnatural.



PHIL: Well, no, just using the word as a figure of speech.



IAN: Oh, I see. Anyway, the whole reason most people view sex between consenting adults as the norm is because neither is dominant. Both are proactive in it, and satisfaction comes from, well... `giving it' to each other.



PHIL: A child can be trained to do that, maybe not to the same extent, but she can go through a lot of the motions and actions of being `provider' and leader in the bedroom. For example...



IAN: Yes, but it wouldn't be truly spontaneous and `willing', would it? As you said, she'd be going through the `motions' she's been taught, and she probably hates it.



PHIL: You can't be sure she hates it. Sure, she might dislike some aspects of it, but she can truly enjoy many things.



IAN: Well, give me your example, anyway, though I'm not sure I want to hear it.


PHIL: [Chuckles. Clears throat].  Once she knows the position, she can climb into a 69 of her own accord, because she knows you want it. You ever seen a 9/10-year-old girl getting into 69 with a man, taking hold of his cock and opening her tender legs around his face? It's truly awesome, believe me, and her body is long enough for it to be practicable.



IAN: No, I haven't. It's a kind of surreal thought, grotesque really.



PHIL: Only grotesque if it's not your thing, like gayness.



IAN: Hmm, highly debatable to compare pedophilia with the modern coming out status of gayness. It will never happen. Children are children, fact; they cannot consent.



PHIL: Well, leaving that aside, from some guys' point of view sex is better with a child.



IAN: Apparently, and obviously. There's plenty of it about.



PHIL: Quite. And much of it a lot more `consensual' than you might think. Once she's been trained, of course, but sometimes even before that. You can get some precocious little mites, you know, fingering themselves and all. Curious about their Daddy's cock in the shower. Wondering what Mummy and Daddy were doing she saw them in that nude `beast with the two backs' position thing, moaning and gasping at each other. And hell, how often do you see little girls hugging and practically crawling all over with their Daddy's in a borderline `sexy' way? Dunno how some Dad's stand it, actually!



IAN: Yeah, well most do `stand it'! Most normal Dads.



PHIL: Ha! What's `normal'?



IAN: Okay, forget the morality. Give another reason why you'd prefer sex with a child? Why is it so great?



PHIL: Her body, pure and simple: the smooth, tender, unblemished flesh. Not only that, but the sweetness of her smell and the sense of cleanliness. A girl that age has a particular kind of smell, you know. I call it child-smell, not sure what it is exactly. Her shampoo or soap is something separate, but there's a natural odour from her very flesh. It's sweet, drives me crazy. It's a kind of vampirism, maybe, like they smell blood I smell 'child'!



IAN: 'Vampirism'. Yeah, that fits. The pariahs of society, the ultimate monster.



PHIL: Hey, no need to be insulting!



IAN: They're `clean', you say? That's until YOU get your hands on her!



PHIL: Well, yes, I guess. Hey, she can always shower afterwards and she'll smell as good as new for the next time - or the next guy.



IAN: You're sick, you know that?!



PHIL: Debatable.



IAN: Well, most women, under 30 at least, have very soft skin. They can be amazingly unblemished and beautiful right up until 40.



PHIL: Yeah, let's face it, it gets rarer with age, though. They generally decline after their early twenties, you have to admit.



IAN: But the idea is that you grow old with them, and don't mind! The natural and proper thing is to fancy same-age opposite sex!



PHIL: Totally not true: if anything, it seems like its natural for guys to always want much younger females than themselves! Just look at the news for the latest guy celebrity getting hitched with a female 20 years younger.



IAN: Not `child-young' though!



PHIL: Okay, that's a `specialized' taste. Anybody who has it knows what I mean.



IAN: Another reason?



PHIL: Their faces - just so damn pretty. So cute. I want to devour them. So sweet, so innocent - and that, for me, equals `sex'. The subtle little adornments too, are a massive part of it for me. The headbands, ribbons, ponytails, hair-clips et cetera - so cute!



IAN: Well, adult females wear all those things too. And their faces can be beautiful, obviously, can't they?



PHIL: Obviously you get beautiful adult females, yeah - and I'd fuck most of them every which way until Christmas - but their beauty does not have the cuteness of a little girl. Sometimes you see an adult with an Alice-band  over he head, but never the same heart-breaking cuteness as a 9-year-old girl in one.



IAN: There you go again, giving a child's lovable `cuteness' a sexual quality that to most ordinary men it does not possess.



PHIL: Again, I say, what is `ordinary'?



IAN: Ordinary is being sexually drawn to an adult body - one that can get pregnant, which is nature's whole purpose of sex - and wanting physical, reciprocal fucking with a cunt and body that is old and big enough to take it. Hell, a woman's body is just more exciting! There's more to get hold of! She has breasts, hips, flesh on her legs and bum, hairs on her vagina and she can cum, and orgasm!



PHIL: So can a....



IAN: Okayyy, a child can too, a bit - maybe, depending on age. Not the same as a woman, though, and certainly not with the same genuine pleasure, passion, desire, and NEED.



PHIL: You should try giving oral sex to a 9-year-old girl - I mean `properly' - for an hour! She'll show `pleasure', if not passion - I guarantee it!



IAN: No I shouldn't. It's illegal!



PHIL: Well, obviously. More's the pity. But we're talking hypothetically. But when it is done, they can enjoy it - and therefore YOU can enjoy it more too! I've heard it for a fact.



IAN: I believe it, but doesn't mean she is psychogically ready for such hardcore intimacy



PHIL: Maybe, maybe not. If it became the norm in society, then maybe she'd be `ready'.



IAN: That's only like saying anybody can accustomed to any type of oppression, abuse or perversion - just like folk have throughout history. Things move on, though, and civilization gradually weeds out things that are not right and good.



PHIL: Ha, does it? Like terrorism, eh? That's been well weeded out! We digress.



IAN: Yep, well, morality of it aside, I still don't see in a million years why any sane guy wants a child for sex rather than an attractive full-grown female. A 15-year-old, maybe, but 9... not normal, not desirable, and she can't give it properly, no matter what you say.



PHIL: Well, I don't understand why any guy can't see the awesomely beautiful delicacy of sex with a child. Besides, the fact she can't `give it properly' is maybe a big part of the appeal for guys like me. It IS, actually.



IAN: What, so you admit you enjoy her because she doesn't really understand it or feel it properly?



PHIL: Yes, that is a special flavour of it. Kissing, mouth-to-mouth, with a 9-year-old girl. The look in her eyes of not knowing what is going on, her adapting to the strange sensation of it. Her seeing or handling an erection for the first time, finding out what it does. If this makes her passive or a bit freaked out, then it's all the more sweet. Of course it would be awesomely sweet, too, if she can learn to be willing and active in it.



IAN: Which I say she can't, not properly.



PHIL: Okay, maybe not properly, in the sense that YOU mean `properly'.



IAN: Were going round in circles now. So, tell me, what sexual acts would you actually do with a 9-year-old girl? And tell me why one of them would be better than doing it with a woman.



PHIL: Blow-job. The soft, small mouth doing its best, wrapped around your big shaft. The passive look in her sweet eyes, and that cute face looking up at you and she sucks away. The sheer incongruity of cum all over that face or in her mouth. The mess around her mouth, looks more and erotic because of her size. Other things I'd do: cunt-licking, delicate attempts at penetation, putting it in her butt - oh, and butt-licking. All of them better than a woman, because of the smoothness and petiteness of everything, and the fact she won't object - well, won't be able to 'resist' any of it.



IAN: Well, this is why a woman is better: energetic, bed-squeaking fucking. There's laughter, a mutual spark and thrill, and lots of fluid from both of you. She kisses knowingly, hungrily, using her tongue properly. Her thighs are big, sexy and spread. If you want her to be bald there, well she can shave. Tits to enjoy and get hold of...



PHIL: I don't want tits; I like the flat chest. It's a turn-on, precisely because it reminds me she is a child.



IAN: Okay, okay. Well, a woman who is willing to give a blow-job is gonna give a far better one than any child could. And you can't beat a woman's arse for sexiness...



PHIL: If she's a sexy woman, of course, which half of them aren't.



IAN: But more than half of 9-year-old girls are??



PHIL: Yes. Even the not-so-good-looking ones still have enormous prettiness and cuteness appeal at that age. Ugly aspects don't tend to get accentuated until mid-teens.



IAN: Just out of curiosity... have you come across any women you find ugly now, but would have been able to get excited by when they were under 10?



PHIL: Yes, quite a few. My wife for one!



IAN: Ohh, Phil, that's mean.



PHIL: Um, yeah, a bit. Okay, she's not `ugly', but it's true I would have been `more than interested' in her as a child. Meaning, with me as an adult.



IAN: I know what you mean. A surreal thought, and not quite sure how sick it is.



PHIL: It's not sick, it's just `quirky'.



IAN: Okay, matter of opinion.



PHIL: So, you tell me... have you never seen a 10-or-under girl in any circumstance who remotely got you thinking sexually?



IAN: Mmm, well, no. No. Sure, I've `looked', like as in a bit curious. But the urge to fuck, or molest her? No, not at all. Just not a turn-on.



PHIL: So, those step-daughters of yours? Not remotely interesting or tempting?



IAN: Let's leave them out of this, Phil.



PHIL: No, it's important. It's the proof of the pudding, how you and I feel about them.



IAN: Well, I don't `feel about them'. They're children, 7 and 10, and I am responsible for their upbringing, and their mother is my sexual object, not them. There's nothing interesting sexually about them. Okay, I can see how Sophie can be regarded as a `pretty one'. `Good-looking', even. But for me that does not translate as `sexually appealing'. I can see how she would be to boys her age or a bit older, but to me she is not. Satisfied?



PHIL: I would be if I could get my hands on her.



IAN: Enough. I can deal with your pedophila only if we don't bring the girls into it, okay?



PHIL: Just this once, just for the record: Sophie is the perfect kind of look I like. Slim, long hair, and little bum, just love it. 10 is a perfect age too. If there was a remote chance of...



IAN: There won't be.



PHIL: Okay, but if. As for Chloe, even though I often love 7s, she is not my type. Not turned-on by her, hardly. Interesting, isn't it?



IAN: Fascinating.



PHIL: You see, pedophiles have `types' just the same as `normal' - as you want to call it - hetero guys.



IAN: I don't doubt it.



PHIL: And Sophie is my type. I don't think I ever recovered from that sighting of her ass-crack.



IAN: Try your best.



PHIL: Cross I have to bear. I don't know how you live with two girls like that, and feel nothing, I really don't.



IAN: Well, I do. End of. Like millions of guys.



PHIL: [Thinks `like millions of hypocrites'].



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