Subject: My Thoughts About Incest
Story Codes: no sex
Date: April 25, 2012
Author: Kelly <pghpa_girl@yahoo.com>
Summary:
It's amazing how many people (mostly guys) ask me for my advice on how to
start an incestuous relationship. Sometimes it's about a cousin or sibling,
but usually it's a father wanting to know how to start having sex with his
daughter. You may be surprised to learn that I don't support incest in the
majority of these situations!
This article is NOT meant to promote or discourage incest but rather to raise
the awareness of some of the issue involved and give my opinions about them.
Hopefully I can explain a different side to incest than what most people know
and at the same time help people to realize how wonderful incest can be -
under the right circumstances.
Disclaimer: Most of this article deals with incest between fathers and
daughters as I have no personal experience with mothers and
sons.
Table of Contents:
Chapter 1 - Definitions
Chapter 2 - General Rules for Sex
Chapter 3 - Some General Thoughts About Incest
Chapter 4 - Reasons for NOT Having Incest
Chapter 5 - Issues to be Addressed Before Incest
Chapter 6 - The Benefits of Incest
Chapter 7 - Questions and Answers About Incest
Chapter 1 - Definitions
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All of these definitions are based on my own perspectives using principles
and concepts which guide my life and actions. No doubt your spouse, family,
friends, church, and local law authorities may have widely varying opinions.
Sex
===
The penetration, however slight, of a female vagina by a male penis. Even if
the hymen remains intact and/or not all of the penis gets inside the vagina,
it's still sex. Once ANY part of a penis is in, even if it's just the very
tip, it's as good as ALL in so far as the act is concerned.
Family
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The members of your immediate family out to and including aunts, uncles and
first cousins, whether by blood OR marriage. If someone is adopted legally,
then they become part of the family. When two people marry, their families
are merged into one and all are treated as members of the same family.
Adultery
========
When a married person has sex with someone not in their family with the
intent of cheating on their spouse. It’s the INTENT that determines whether
sex becomes adultery. Also, you can't commit adultery unless you're married.
If you're single and have sex with a married person without the consent of
their partner, THEY are the ones committing adultery, not you.
Incest
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The act of sex between members of the same family. Based on my definition of
family, sex between in-laws is considered incest. If two people marry, sex
between their children would now become incestual whereas it wasn't before
they got married. Incest is all about families, regardless of how they are
created.
Oral "Sex"
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At its core, sex is fundamentally a reproductive act, even though most of the
time that isn't the intended purpose. Thus by definition, “oral sex" is NOT
sex. Because it’s NOT sex, engaging in “oral sex" cannot be considered
adultery OR incest. Note that by using the same logic, “anal sex" is not
true sex either.
Virgin
======
Someone who has never engaged in sex - male or female. Note that this
definition has nothing to do with the status of a girl's hymen. Many girls
rupture their hymens through sports, masturbation or other activities but
they are still virgins if they haven't had sex. Also, just because a man
doesn't penetrate a girl enough to break her hymen doesn't mean it wasn't
sex. If even so much as the very tip of a penis penetrates, then virginity
is lost.
Underage
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A general term for anyone under the age of eighteen. I realize that "age of
consent" varies between states and countries but for purposes of this
article, the following age ranges are used:
Infant Child Preteen Teen Adult
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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18+
While ages 1-7 is certainly not a good overall definition for “infant”, it
works so far as this article as anyone in this age bracket is treated the
same so far as sexual activities are concerned.
Chapter 2 - General Rules for Sex
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There is a fine line between incest and child abuse so when there is ANY
question at all, I believe the more conservative response is always best.
Here is my "Top Ten" list of basic rules that I believe EVERYONE should
follow, regardless of whether the situation involves incest or not:
1. When considering incest, you MUST be 100% sure about it.
2. If your daughter (or ANY girl for that matter) says "no", that means
"NO". It doesn't matter if "she asked for it" or you think "she
really wants it."
3. If you have to rationalize what you want to do - DON'T DO IT!
4. If the idea of sex with your daughter doesn't feel right - it isn’t.
5. If you can't tell your wife about your feelings then don't tell your
daughter.
6. Don’t fuck your daughter behind your wife’s back.
7. If you think your daughter might be too young for sex - she is.
8. If you're not sure your daughter’s ready for sex - she isn’t.
9. Just because your daughter flirts with you, it does NOT necessarily
mean that she wants to have sex with you. In fact, odds are she'd be
appalled if she knew you thought that she did. Don't confuse trust
with lust.
10. Porn movies, erotic stories and "adult" Internet sites DO NOT
reflect reality. Don't expect the same reaction from your daughter
as from the so-called "daughters" on the Internet. They are whores
having sex with paid actors.
Chapter 3 - Some General Thoughts About Incest
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Of all the subjects I discuss, this is the one that gets the most responses
as people generally have strong opinions about incest. As a rule, I find
they're either turned on or totally disgusted without much in between.
Unfortunately, I've also found that most people's knowledge of incest is
derived in what they were taught as children, heard preached in church, read
in the newspapers, discussed with their friends or worst of all - seen on
internet porn sites. Very few people have actual knowledge of a family that
practices incest as it should be.
I can't even begin to say how many people have told me that I'm either
perverted or a victim of child molestation - all because I have sex with my
family. Even if they finally acknowledge that it might actually be something
that I truly want to do, they still claim that I've been brainwashed by my
"evil" parents just to satisfy their disgusting sexual perversions. NONE of
this, or anything remotely similar to it, could be farther from the truth.
Historically incest has been taboo in most cultures for two very good reasons
- genetics and child exploitation. Even though our ancestors knew nothing
about DNA, they did know that kids born out of incest were often not quite
"right" and so there must be something inherently wrong with such a custom.
Like many good practices, such as avoiding certain foods, etc., these became
engrained in their laws and religion which provided the authority for society
to enforce the taboo.
Today, with the multitude of options available for birth control in addition
to the means to end an unwanted pregnancy (please, no debates on abortion
here), the foundation for the case against incest has largely crumbled.
However, these ancient taboos have become so engrained in society and
religion that most people cannot see beyond their life-long indoctrination
and thus are unable to consider incest from a rationale perspective.
The other problem is the second excuse used to ban incest - child abuse. I
totally agree that all children MUST be protected. It is an unfortunate fact
of life that there are many screwed up people out there who are empowered and
gratified through the act of having sex with children - some ridiculously
young. This easily leads to a situation where a child can be coerced into
performing acts they're not mature enough to understand nor truly consent.
Because incest is one of the most common rationalizations used by these
perverts, it's probably the most powerful argument against incest - at least
so far as younger children are concerned.
Over the years I've chatted with a lot of people on-line and it's generally
been a fun experience although I've had to ignore more than few blatant
perverts and jerks. Most people claim they are open-minded and have no
problems with casual sex, especially if it was with me! Some say they want
to cheat on their spouse while others want me to join them with their spouse
and still others want me be to be with just their hubby or wife while they
watch.
Many couples claim to be looking for someone to make a three-some although I
found that most of these "couples" are just fakes. I've had quite a few
people who are really into the kinky stuff including children and animals.
The point I’m trying to make is that I try to respect other people's feelings
and desires, even if I'm not especially turned on by them or even personally
offended. For the most part, everyone else claims to feel the same way yet
amazingly they then draw the line at incest. So let's see... fucking dogs
and underage kids is good but having a loving relationship with my mom and
dad that involves sex is bad. Hmmmmmm... what am I missing here?
There are many things in life that are fulfilling and pleasurable when
handled properly yet they can also be easily abused and can be extremely
harmful. Alcohol, gambling and sex come to mind immediately. Let me say
right from the start that I firmly believe that incest is NOT for everyone -
in fact only a small minority of families.
I know from my own experience that when handled properly, incest can be help
to contribute to of a wonderful and incredibly loving relationship between a
child and his/her immediate family. At the same time, I have seen where
incest is abused and used to molest children.
Chapter 4 - Reasons for NOT Having Incest
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It should go without saying that having sex between family members is NOT a
requirement for establishing family values. Incest will not necessarily cure
other problems engrained in a family. In the short run it certainly may help
to mask these issues, but eventually they will come out and when they do,
having incest to deal with as well could make a bad situation worse.
There are a number of reasons why I strongly believe that the vast majority
of families are NOT functionally, emotionally or otherwise equipped to deal
with incest:
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Incest is Not Accepted in Our Society
Face it, about the only time most people hear about incest is when it's
abused. Thus society has developed its own rules and regulations which makes
incest taboo, not to mention illegal. People raised in this atmosphere will
naturally grow up thinking incest is bad. As a result incest is not a secret
to be shared with the neighborhood and I would bet that most people have no
idea that the neighbors next door are sleeping together as a family.
Indeed, if such information WAS released in today' society it would likely
ruin the lives and reputations of the parents and stigmatize the children.
Keeping such an intimate and emotionally charged subject from accidentally
escaping can be extremely tasking and is realistically beyond the
capabilities of most families.
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Unappealing Personal Looks and Hygiene
In many families there are issues with age differences and personal image.
Let's face it, most parents are NOT sexually appealing to their kids. I'm
fortunate that my parents had me while they were young and kept themselves in
good shape such that were still a pretty hot couple when I became a teenager.
One guy I was chatted with told me that his parents were in their sixties.
Well duh, I guess that most likely rules out any sexual appeal!
In other cases, one or both parents have let themselves go and are frankly
just unappealing - especially naked! I mean, why would a girl want anything
to do sexually with a father sporting a beer gut covered in hair, smelling
like cigarettes and beer?
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Multiple Children at Varying Ages
Most families have more than one child which creates a situation much
different from mine. I'm an only child so there were no issues of older or
younger children for my parents to deal with. The variations here are
endless - should you wait for the youngest to grow up but then do you tell
the oldest, especially if they have moved out? What about having sex with
the oldest when they are ready and thus having to hide it from the youngest?
Well, I would have a hard time believing that it could really be kept secret
for long. Although I won't say incest should be limited to single-child
families, it certainly makes it easier when the children are close in age. I
don't believe incest should be hidden from anyone in the family - even if
everyone is not actively involved. The more people in the situation, the
tougher this becomes to enforce. It's not that it impossible, just more
difficult and something that should be thought through thoroughly before
moving forward.
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Lack of a Family History With Incest
It helps a LOT if one or both of the parents were involved in an incestual
relationship when they were growing up. For instance, my mom's father had
sex with both of his daughters started when they were barely teens and he
continued having sex with them even after they were both married. In this
case both of them now had lived through it themselves as a positive
experience and thus they were anxious for their own daughters to grow up
enough to do the same. My father had fucked my mom and her sister in high
school which made it easier for my mom to accept them being together after
they were married.
Thus in my family the odds were pretty high that incest would become part of
my life when I was old enough. Needless to say, most families do not have
such a history making it all new territory to be learned and thus the
potential for problems is significantly increased. I don't mean to say that
a family can't start its own traditions, it's just that doing so is much more
dangerous and should be carefully considered as to whether the potential
benefits outweigh the risks.
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It's Illegal
Most religions forbid incest - note I say "religions" and not God (read the
whole Bible, not just Leviticus!). Many of our laws were made to conform to
religious requirements. As the law makes it illegal to have sex with a
minor, even if everyone in the family is happy with the situation, if some
do-gooder found out and turned them in the parents would be punished.
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Again, let me make one thing perfectly clear - the mere fact that two people
share DNA does not disqualify them from having a sexual relationship BUT just
as important, nor does it mean they SHOULD. The same principles that govern
whether a person has sex with someone outside the family should apply inside
the family as well.
What saddens me is that unfortunately there are far too many sadistic and
perverted people who rationalize incest as an excuse to satisfy their own
selfish desires at the expense of their children. I am FIRMLY against child
abuse of any kind including sex before puberty and ANY form of non-consensual
sex, regardless of age. Because of the often well-publicized actions of
these horrible people, most people associate incest with eight year-old
children and leering adults who manipulate innocent kids into doing things
they don't understand - all of which is clearly wrong.
Incest also requires a certain attitude toward sex, one where sex is accepted
and handled responsibly. I first had sex when I was fourteen with the
sixteen year-old brother of one of my best friends and I've been sexually
active ever since. While I didn't fuck every guy in school, I would have to
say that almost all of my relationships included a degree of sexual content
to some degree - anything from playful petting to full intercourse. I ended
up fucking only nine different guys by the time I graduated from high school
which I don't think is a particularly high number, especially considering I
was sucking every cock I could get my mouth on.
I know today that my mom had sex with her father when she was barely a
teenager and that she was hoping for my sake that I would do the same with my
father, but it wasn't until I made the first move and eventually joined them
in bed that they revealed the things they were involved in. For instance,
while I've always known that my mom and her sister were very close, I didn't
know that they had a sexual relationship that started when they were barely
twelve and thirteen nor did I know my dad's involvement with his sister-in-
law until after I had sex with them both individually.
Chapter 5 - Issues to be Addressed Before Incest
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With all that said, If I was making the rules, anyone considering incest
would have to address the following concerns:
Open Attitude Towards Sex
incest can't be the first time sex is discussed openly in the family. If sex
hasn't been openly discussed and treated as something to be given respect and
dignity along with personal responsibility, then incest shouldn't even be
considered. If a family can't shower or dress in front of one another
without embarrassment or viewed as something erotic, they certainly aren't
ready to have sex with one another!
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Old Enough to Consent
The girl or boy must be old enough to make a an informed and consensual
decision. This will vary between kids and in extreme cases may be as young
as twelve or thirteen. I would say though for most families in our culture,
sixteen is the youngest even if they're already sexually active outside the
family.
I know for myself that at fourteen I felt mature enough to give up my
virginity but that was just with some boy for fun. Even in the home I was
raised in, at fourteen my dad was just that - my dad. I loved him for sure
but he was an authority figure and the thought of having sex with him never
even crossed my mind. It wasn't until I was sixteen that I came to
understand the loving relationship between my parents sufficiently to realize
that it was something I wanted to share with them.
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Physical Appearance
While I hate to sound like a narcissist, there has to be some physical
attraction between the family members. This probably knocks out 95% of all
families but what is the sense in having sex without it being fun? If a mom
and dad let themselves go physically, that's their business but they
shouldn't expect their teenager kids to look at them with any thoughts of sex
in mind!
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Both Parents Need to Be Involved
I don't necessarily mean physically as some people are not bisexual but at
least both should be fully aware of the situation. For instance, as a
general rule a husband should not fuck his daughter unless his wife gives him
her blessings first (even, as in my case, the daughter doesn't know that her
mother has).
It seems that incest tends to be more between a father and a daughter than
with a mother and son. I don't know why, maybe it's because for some reason
dads have a hard time accepting their wife being fucked by their son than a
mother does in sharing her husband with her daughter. I also think this may
have something to do with the "macho factor" because the odds that the father
and son would ever have sex are extremely low whereas a mother-daughter
relationship is more easily established once the husband fucks them both.
I’m sure some people will point out that my father and I have been fooling
around with his brother and two of his kids without the knowledge of his wife
- a contradiction to what I just said. It was not a simple decision and I
dearly wish my aunt was more open-minded. Given her strong convictions, it
was either stay away entirely or do what we've done. Considering the
experience we have with dealing with the issues, we felt it was something
that could be dealt with and indeed, that has been the case. I do NOT
recommend others try this unless they already have the family support
structure in place to support it.
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Family Size Finally, I believe that the odds of a successful incestual
relationship drop with exponentially as the number of kids increases. First,
not all them may want to be involved. As anyone who has ever had or worked
with kids knows, keeping it secret between kids is next to impossible. If
their ages are widely spread then it's probably best to either forget it or
wait until the youngest can join in. Remember, even the slightest resistance
MUST be interpreted as being unwilling since most kids want to please their
parents so an outright "no" may never come. Any lesser standard would
certainly lead to child abuse. In my case, being an only child made it easy
although I admit at times I wish I had a brother or sister.
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Based on the above criteria, I figure that at least 99.9% of families should
NOT be involved in incest. Still, even if incest is not part of their lives,
I firmly believe ALL families should treat sex more openly and honestly than
what seems to be the general practice these days. After all, isn't it better
to act responsibly and deal with the issues of sex directly than to create
perverts who go out and rape women and abuse children because sex was such a
tightly controlled thing in his life that when he was finally "freed" he
couldn't control himself?
Although I've focused on parent-child relationships, of course incest doesn't
necessarily have to involve parents and their children. For instance, a
brother and sister may be having sex without the knowledge of their parents.
While it would be better for the parents to at least know and approve, even
if they were not physically involved, it's natural that most parents would
not condone their children having sex with one another. Personally, I don't
understand why they wouldn't encourage it instead, if for no other reason
than to watch. One of the most erotic nights in my life was when I helped a
brother and sister fuck each other for the first time!
Of course, sibling incest need not be restricted to just teenagers. I helped
my freshman roomie to be with her older brother and he was married with two
kids at the time! In some ways it's easier for brothers and sisters to
practice incest with each other than with their parents because it avoids the
age difference issue (which may also include age of consent problems).
Chapter 6 - The Benefits of Incest
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For those situations that DO meet the conditions AND there is an interest in
it, incest can be a wonderful way to bring a family closer together. After
all, how mad can I stay with my dad when I felt his cock sliding inside of
me, filling my pussy? Likewise, no matter what I've done, how upset can he
stay with me when I suck his cock after asking for forgiveness? It's amazing
what a little spontaneous sex can do to bring everyone back together again no
matter what the cause of the quarrel may have been.
After all this, when you boil it down there are essentially two reasons I
enjoy incest:
First, there is an incredible love and passion that comes naturally with
incest. I love my parents and family so how can I possibly express it more
than by giving myself to them completely? What most people don't understand
is that I don't fuck my dad to SHOW him I love him, I ALLOW him to fuck me
because I love him. Hopefully you understand the subtle difference.
Nothing compares to the joy I feel when my father's hard cock penetrates deep
inside of me. When I allow my own father to physically couple himself with
me, to join our bodies in the most intimate manner that a man and woman can,
I am demonstrating to him in a way nothing else can how much I love him.
When I feel him in me I know we are like one body. There is nothing left for
me to give than I am at that moment. Then when his cock erupts and his sperm
explodes in me I know without a doubt that I have satisfied him, that I have
fulfilled the sexual lust within him by using my own body, my own sex, to
give him the most sacred thing I can give to anyone.
In comparison to my dad, where sex is largely my way of satisfying his
physical needs, being in bed with my mother is more emotionally stimulating.
She kisses me like a lover, not a parent. My mother is so passionate with
me, so loving, it is almost overwhelming. To feel her warm naked body
pressed against mine, to lick her pussy where I was conceived and born, to
feel her tongue on my pussy where her husband fucks me, to have her lick his
cum from me, all these things fill my soul and complete me as a woman.
The other reason I enjoy incest is simple. Having sex with my family is
physically enjoyable. It's exciting to know that my father is free to
approach to me at virtually any time and fuck me or whatever else he wants
with me. If I'm watching TV or chatting on the computer and find myself
turned on by whatever is happening, I'm not embarrassed in the slightest to
masturbate even if my parents are around - if anything it turns me on all the
more! I love wearing just a short tight T-shirt or one of my dad's dress
shirts with nothing on my bottom and in general, that's all I ever wear
around the house.
Similarly, my aunt and cousin feel free to stop over any time and do whatever
they need or want without having to sneak around or worry about being
"caught". In short, sex is an integral part of our lives, something to be
enjoyed and shared openly rather than some mysterious affair full of taboos
and rituals. It is NOT "naughty" or anything nasty.
In closing I hope this has helped to explain my situation better to those who
have not understood it well. Please don't judge me by the standards of a
society dominated by ancient theology and mythology. Unfortunately, the odds
are that incest was never right for you but don't let that bias you from
acknowledging that for some people it is; so allow them to enjoy it and stop
criticizing them!
Chapter 7 - Questions and Answers About Incest
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Question: As a Christian, how can you condone incest?
Answer: First of all, why do people automatically assume that having sex in
an incestual relationship is a sin? It’s more an inhibition put upon us by
overbearing religious institutions than anything to do with God. Incest is
NOT adultery, so that's not an issue. God created us as sexual beings and
made sex to be more than an act of reproduction. Why would we NOT want to
use all the gifts we have been given when it comes times to express our
feelings for those in our family?
Actually the question is misleading as it implies that as a Christian I
shouldn't be involved in incest. I see it as exactly the opposite.
From Exodus 20:
Commandment #5: Honor thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be
long.
Commandment #7: Thou shalt not commit adultery.
Seems pretty straightforward to me but for those who need more of an
explanation, God clearly states that you shall NOT commit adultery and that
you SHALL honor your father and mother. Some people, me included, interpret
"honor" to include submission to their authority and needs.
I was raised that these make the rules for marriage after sex pretty black
and white. Once you are married you can ONLY have sex with your husband and
immediate family. For me, I would be honoring my parents by giving myself to
them. After all, what greater sign of respect and honor can a daughter give
to her parents than to offer her own body to them totally and without any
restraint? In addition, how can I say that I truly honor and respect them if
I deny myself to their immediate family as well?
In summary, to both not commit adultery AND honor your parents after
marriage, to me that means not having sex outside my immediate family with
first cousins, nieces and nephews being the absolute limit. My parents have
subscribed to this practice their entire marriage and I am convinced that it
has been a major contributor to the indisputable success of their marriage.
OK, my father slipped with my best friend Beth but she is practically family
and I am sure God has forgiven him for his indiscretion.
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Question: How old should my daughter be before we have sex?
Answer: Easily the most asked question. Here are three principles that guide
my thoughts and actions regarding underage sex:
Three basic principles guide my thoughts regarding underage sex:
1. The needs of the child ALWAYS come first. When it comes to sex or
anything even remotely related to it, if there is ANY doubt then don't
do it. It is ALWAYS better to err on the side of caution. I abhor
child abuse, especially sexual molestation and exploitation. People
who abuse children deserve the maximum punishment allowable.
2. Sex between adults and underage kids is illegal in the USA and most
countries. Thus as a general rule I don’t condone sex between adults
and minors, even when it’s incestual, as it rarely can be kept a
secret. Even in those cases where the opportunity is there, careful
consideration is required beforehand as to the potential
psychological, physical, moral, ethical and legal ramifications.
3. Incestual sex, at least when practiced properly and NOT as a
rationalization for child abuse, is different from "regular" sex in
that family love and support mechanisms are present. As a result the
"rules" for underage sex in incestual situations can be less
restrictive.
Here’s a summary of my views. My article on "Underage Sex" has details.
Infant (7 and under)
YES: familiarization with nudity with instruction regarding modesty
information limited to that needed for protection from predators
NO: ANY sexual activity including oral sex and fondling of sex organs
ANY involvement in sexual activities, e.g. watching sex by others
ANY detailed discussions about sex
Exposure to pornographic images
No changes here but I admit to being on the line regarding oral sex.
If there was some way to ensure that things stayed confined to oral
sex then I’d probably condone it but most people simply can’t properly
deal with such complications.
Child (8-9)
YES: hand stimulation - self and others
observation of masturbation
discussions about sex focusing on the mechanics and safety
NO: oral sex
sex (penetration)
observation of sex - real or through multimedia (porn)
Again, no changes here. I DO think even more though that oral should
be promoted more at this age as it can help to bridge between the age
of blissful ignorance and the beginnings of sex.
Preteen (10-12)
YES: masturbation
sex with another underage partner
sex with an adult under the supervision of parents
incestual sex with an adult
NO: unsupervised non-incestual sex with an adult
This is one big change for me - condoning sex with this age with an
adult. This is based entirely on personally witnessing such activity
and seeing for myself the reactions of the kids. The catch is it must
be supervised by their parents or family member. In the case of
incest, self-supervision can be employed.
Teen (13-17)
YES: sex with an adult
NO: only what their personal convictions do not allow (anal, etc.)
If you’re going to condone preteen sex with adults, then it’s hard not
to allow teens the same rights with even more flexibility. Of course
this all should be closely monitored and in cases supervised by
parents depending on the maturity level.
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Question: You often tell people you don't support underage sex yet you just
stated that it's OK for parents to have sex with their underage children.
Aren't you being a bit hypocritical?
Answer: Not at all. Incest is sex within a family and as such involves
relationships and emotional bonding that simply don't exist between an adult
and a child from different families. When a typical adult has sex with an
underage child, it would be strictly for their sexual gratification without
the love and respect a parent should have for their children. There is no
need for the adult to worry about the long-term impact (unless the
authorities find out) which takes away even more of the "protection" inherent
in a family relationship.
Sex between an adult and a child outside of incest is pedophilia and illegal
for good reasons. I do NOT condone it in any way, shape or manner and I do
NOT wish to encourage it in any way. If you want to fantasize about it, go
right ahead - just so long as you can keep your fantasies from intruding into
reality. If you can't control yourself, seek help!
In contrast, sex between a parent and a child is incest and thus more
acceptable. While technically illegal in our society today, that is a
cultural issue, not an ethical or even biblical one. As for what age is OK,
see the previous question.
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Question: My incredibly cute ten year-old loves to sit on my lap wearing
nothing but her little panties and a short t-shirt. Feeling her firm ass
rubbing against me, I can't help but get an instant erection. I don't think
she realizes how she is affecting me. I'm afraid that sooner or later I'm
not going to be able to hold back. What should I do?
Answer: C'mon dad, if you think by the time she reaches that age that she
hasn't already noticed what is happening underneath her when she sit on your
lap? Get a clue! When I was that age my dad would often get an erection
when I sat on his lap and trust me, there was no way for me NOT to notice the
growing bulge underneath me.
The "problem" you face is that at her age a girl doesn't associate an
erection with any sort of sexual attraction to her (again, forget the
Internet and porn movie crap). When I was eight years old, I watched my dad
masturbate. My mom, seeing my curiosity, had me give him a hand-job that
evening in the hot tub as a means to help me to understand what he was doing.
Of course I was fascinated by what happened and I felt happy because I knew
I'd done something to please my dad. However, I didn't have a clue that what
happened had anything to do with me other than I was the one touching him
instead of him using his own hand.
If you feel you HAVE to do SOMETHING... next time she's on your lap and
you're about to lose control, allow your cock to "accidentally" slip out of
your shorts for her to see it or even rub it up against her. While she MIGHT
be interested, before you get your hopes up keep in mind that it is only her
natural curiosity, not a result of any sexual intent. Of course the danger
in doing anything such as this is that given the lust you'd be feeling at
that moment, you'd likely misinterpret her interest for a sexual overture
which could lead you to do something she had no intention of encouraging - or
even realizing she could.
Now don't get me wrong, getting an erection around your daughter is nothing
to hide or to be embarrassed or ashamed of, just don't expect her to react to
it sexually until she gets older. Growing up, if I saw my dad with an
erection I just assumed that he was feeling good about something since
whenever I saw him like that he seemed happy.
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Question: Sometimes when I see my fourteen year-old daughter sleeping, I
can't help but jerk off while looking at her. Is it OK to touch her so long
as I don't wake her?
Answer: Believe it or not, someone actually asked me this question in an e-
mail. Did he really need me to answer? This illustrates one of my biggest
issues with porn. No, it's not that I feel it degrades women, or any of the
other stock answers.
What really bugs me about porn is that guys watch it and think it applies to
real life. If you think your daughter is going to react like some porn star,
waking up and out of nowhere start sucking your cock and then begging her
daddy to fuck her, forget it. Unless you already have something going with
her, doing anything to your daughter in her sleep is just perverted. It's
all about lust, no love, intimacy, or respect is involved which is an
essential part of incest. Besides, how would you explain it if she were to
wake up?
Again, forget the fantasy sex scene in your favorite porn movie. She's NOT
going to wake up as some hot and horny sex kitten, craving sex with you. The
odds are far more likely that she'll be traumatized and tell your wife,
ruining the possibility of any future intimate relationship although under
the circumstances, that would probably be the least of your concerns!
Masturbation is a natural human response and if you want jerk off as you
fantasize about molesting your sleeping daughter, what's the harm? Just
don't grope the poor girl for God's sake! You're her father, not a pervert,
so grow up and act like one.
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Question: My fifteen year-old daughter dresses in sexy and suggestive outfits
around the house. She flirts with me constantly. Is she hinting that she
wants sex with me?
Answer: Sorry, in such a situation the odds are almost 100% she does NOT want
sex with you. In fact the reality is much more likely to be just the
opposite. Don't take it in a negative way. It's not that she rejects the
idea of having sex with you, but more that the very concept is not something
she would even think about.
Remember, you're her FATHER, not a boyfriend or even a stranger. At her age
you're the one man she respects and trusts more than anyone in the world -
despite how she might act outwardly. Most girls love to flirt and it is a
natural and vital part of maturing as it serves as a means of validating her
self-worth and builds up her self-confidence.
Your daughter feels comfortable "flirting" with you because she trusts that
you will NOT react the way other men would. Don't feel you have to ignore
her either - a few compliments can never hurt (remember the "self-worth" and
"self-confidence" thing?), just don't flirt back for heaven's sake - it will
weird her out and she won't understand why you're doing it.
Speaking from personal experience, what most daughters don't understand as
teenagers is that their dad is still a man and as such, is quite capable of
harboring sexual feelings toward a young hot girl, even her. When she wears
that sexy outfit and sits suggestively on your lap, she's acting out her own
fantasies knowing she can trust you not to take advantage of her like any
other man would. If she REALLY wanted sex with you, trust me, you'd know it.
There is a HUGE difference between sitting on your daddy's lap and reaching
in his pants for his cock!
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Question: When we were younger my sister and I use to fool around and even
went so far as to touch each other sexually while "playing doctor". Now that
we're older, how can I rekindle that relationship?
Answer: Sorry, you missed your window of opportunity, if one even ever
existed in the first place which odds are, it didn't. As an adult, if she's
not letting you know she's interested, she's not. Like I've said before,
forget all the crap you read on the Internet! You were both young and did
the things many kids do. It's all just a natural part of growing up.
Unfortunately for you, now you're adults and those days are gone except in
your dreams. If I was you, I'd masturbate about her and leave it at that.
Note that I would apply this same advice to anyone else you want to have
incest with. In my opinion a healthy and successful incestual lifestyle is
just that - a lifestyle. Thus if you raised your daughter in a "normal"
family atmosphere (private and "taboo" masturbation, limited sexual
discussion, no nudity, etc.), now that she's graduated from college and moved
away from home don't think you're going to somehow get something started.
Sure there are exceptions to every rule but just as someone always wins the
PowerBall lottery, odds are you won't and the same goes to starting an
incestual relationship late in life.
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Question: What is the biggest signal that it's OK to have incest with my
daughter?
Answer: In my opinion, that depends to a large extent how the entire subject
of sex has been handled in your family. If you don't discuss sex in the same
as any other topic, odds are the right atmosphere doesn't exist. A healthy
incestual lifestyle requires a level of trust and family order that isn't
developed overnight.
When people ask me this question, Usually the first thing I ask them is how
masturbation has been addressed in their family. Is it something that's only
done in private and otherwise treated as taboo, or even erotic? Can you
openly discuss it without it being a "sex talk"? Are you comfortable
masturbating if your daughter's around and vice versa? I mean doing it when
the other person just happens to be in the room, NOT putting on some kind of
perverted show. Sexual candidness is a prerequisite for incest, not a
result. How can you expect your daughter to feel empowered to initiate sex
with you if something as basic and universal as masturbation is a taboo
subject?
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Question: You're responses to most questions regarding incest are generally
pretty negative yet at the same time you claim to enjoy it yourself. Why all
the pessimism?
Answer: My dad once told me that if you have to ask the price of a yacht, you
can't afford it. The same concept applies to incest. If you have to ask me
about it, you probably shouldn't be doing it.
When it comes to incest, the rules are a LOT different than ordinary sex with
a boyfriend. Bad sex with a boyfriend becomes a bad memory that you try to
forget and avoid in the future. A botched attempt at incest can ruin a
family forever. Is the risk really worth it?
You can't seduce your daughter the way you did your wife. If your daughter
doesn't make it perfectly clear that she wants to have sex with you, she
doesn't - at least not deep in her heart where such a desire needs to
originate. Most girls get a crush on their dads at some stage but it's just
a natural part of growing up, forming an emotional bond with the man you
absolutely adore and trust. For most girls, such a crush eventually matures
into a healthy father- daughter relationship that does NOT include anything
sexual.
I've seen many girls flirt with and tease their dads but it's just for fun
and more a sign of her trust in him than any form of lust for him. No girl
should EVER be made to feel that she has to submit herself physically to her
father in order to win his love. For example, I know without a shred of
doubt that I don't NEED to have sex with my dad to prove anything. I have
sex with my father BECAUSE I love and respect him - a big difference. In my
opinion, putting a daughter on a guilt trip just to have sex with her would
be one of the worst forms of abuse a father could ever commit against his
daughter.
The key is that I WANT to give myself to my dad which is an entirely
different thing from feeling I HAVE to. For me it is an extension of the
same love and respect I would show him even if he didn't want to fuck me.
You don't need incest to have a close relationship with your daughter so
unless it's 100% obvious that the desire is in her to share herself with you
in that way, stay away from incest and simply enjoy each other the way you
are.
At the same time, if an opportunity for incest DID arise, it would be a
tragedy NOT to take advantage of the situation and realize the incredible
benefits that can arise from a healthy sexual relationship between a father
and daughter. I would never want to discourage "good" incest. I just feel
an obligation to warn people about the many pitfalls and make the think a
little before they do anything rash that could ruin their lives and families.
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Question: My wife's friend is hot and I think she's interested in me. What
should I do? Answer: Well, first of all you are considering committing
adultery, not incest, so the question doesn't even really apply in this
article. To me, it's really pretty simple and straightforward. Given that
the admonishment against adultery is one of the Ten Commandments in the
Bible, that alone should be enough to tell you how God feels about it - and
thus how you should as well. If sinning against God doesn't concern you,
then it become a marital issue for you to deal with. In any case, it has
nothing to do with incest.
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Question: My wife's sister is hot and I think she's interested in me. What
should I do?
Answer: There is a significant difference between this question and the
previous one since her sister is a part of your family (through marriage) and
thus having sex with her would be incest, NOT adultery. Thus while it may be
biblically permissible, the question is not what you CAN do, it's what you
SHOULD do. If you're wife is OK with it, then why not go for it?
When you consider doing this, it's similar to deciding to have sex with your
daughter except you're dealing with a more mature woman which makes it easier
as you don't have to deal with the development issues. Is she married? If
so, then that makes it tad more complicated, especially if her husband isn't
on- board with the idea.
Don't ignore your potentially biggest ally - your wife. First, she had
better approve of anything you do with her sister BEFORE you make a move.
Also, if anyone would know, she could tell you if her sister is just flirting
or has a real interest in you. Even if they haven't discussed it, women
instinctively know these things, trust me. If your wife approves of the idea
but doesn't want to be involved herself, she could at least help get you and
her sister together and thus make it a lot easier for you.
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Question: Do you know of anyone else that has had a positive experience with
incest?
Answer: Actually, outside my family in real life - no and that doesn't
surprise me in the least. Other than my best friend Beth, I've never told
anyone outside my family about my incestuous relationships. For all I know,
some of my girlfriends could be doing the same thing with their fathers as I
do and I have no more idea about it than they do about me.
When incest becomes public knowledge, odds are almost 100% that it's about a
BAD relationship, not a good one. Our society is not supportive of incest
and legal issues are also a concern, so I can't imagine any family with a
healthy incestual relationship allowing anyone outside their family to know
about it.
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Question: I subscribe to incest web sites and chat in a number of incest chat
rooms. Why is what you say about incest so different from what others say in
these forums?
Answer: Well duh! If you believe anything at those sites then I have a
wonderful bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.
The difference is simple - what I describe here is reality, not fantasy.
Admittedly, I've only looked briefly at those types of sites but from what
I've seen they're nothing but perverted male fantasies or, if true,
confessions of child abuse and/or rape. It's sort of like porn movies - you
don't really think THEY reflect real life, do you?
My advice is to enjoy the incest sites on the Internet for entertainment if
that gets you off but PLEASE, don't make ANY decisions about your real life
and your daughter based on the ideas and "advice" you get from these sources.
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Question: I understand all you say but I still want to try to start something
with my daughter. She's fourteen, cute and I think she might be interested.
How do I start?
Answer: A wise man once said, Everything before ‘But' is bullshit. That
said...
First of all, I hope you understand by now that I think you're totally wrong
to do this and at best a fool, if not a pervert. However, if you're bound
and determined to go through with it anyway, I guess the least I can do is
offer some advice to hopefully minimize the damage and odds are there will be
lots of it before it’s over.
Based on my experience, there should be a strong family support or history of
incest in the family for incest to work in the current family structure.
Lacking this, then you must first establish an atmosphere of trust from a
sexual perspective. The most direct means doing this is through
masturbation. If your daughter is too shy to let you watch her masturbate,
then what makes you think she would suck your cock, let alone allow you to
fuck her? If she's offended at the sight of you jerking off, then how can
you expect her to let you cum on her face or in her mouth?
I can't emphasize enough that masturbation is THE key to opening up a more
intimate relationship with your daughter. As a natural function that almost
everyone does, it allows for you to broach the subject of sex without the
dangers inherent in going straight to initiating something physical between
the two of you. My advice is to start by allowing her "catch" you
masturbating and see what her reaction is.
For heaven's sake, PLEASE don't push it! I wouldn't even let her know that
you know she's watching at first. Slow and steady is the only way for this
to work so be patient. If she's interested, the natural response would be
for her to let you "catch" her doing herself. In this way you both have
signaled your willingness to be more open sexually without making any
commitment. If she's offended (or worse, disgusted) at seeing her father
jerking off, then please give it up and quit while you're ahead. At least at
that point you can explain it as a "mistake" which is a lot easier than
trying to explain to the authorities why you were trying to grope her pussy
while she sat on your lap.
Assuming you've both now demonstrated an interest through semi-private
masturbation, the next step would be to be more open about it. Invite her in
your room to watch you jerk off while the two of you are watching a TV show
and someone turns you on (my dad can never keep his cock in his pants when we
watch StarGate SG1 and Amanda Tapping appears on the screen!). This provides
yet another opportunity to confirm her sexual intentions without having to
make a physical commitment.
Assuming she is willing to watch you jerk off, continue only if her response
is to respond in kind and allow you to see her openly masturbate. Once she
feels comfortable touching herself while you're watching, THEN you can feel
confident enough to approach her, preferably while she's horny and
masturbating. If she ignores you, forget it. She's probably too embarrassed
to say anything directly so feigning a lack of interest is her way of saying
you've gone too far.
If this all sounds too hard or complicated, then my advice is to just forget
it. The bottom line is to take a gradual approach to incest it such a manner
that allows your daughter to "opt out" at any point without making a big
issue out of it.
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Question: I'm a happily married man and been heterosexual all my life but yet
I'm interested in my son in a sexual way. Any ideas for approaching him?
Answer: I have no experience with this but my guess would be to approach it
similar to a daughter except now you're adding in the homosexual factor - as
if incest wasn't enough to deal with! I just see lots of complications.
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Question: My husband wants to have sex with our thirteen year-old daughter
but he expects me to help get things started between them. I'm not even sure
I want them together in the first place but I also want to please my husband.
What should I do?
Answer: This seems at first to be a simple problem but it is actually quite
complex as it pits the obligations you have to submit to your husband against
your responsibilities as a mother. My first reaction to this question was to
say not to do anything which would be in accordance with my first rule of
incest, "if you're not 100% sure about it , DON'T DO IT!!!!" But then when I
started to ponder it more, the issue of your submission to your husband come
into the picture as well. So what takes precedence, your obligations to
daughter or your husband?
In the end, you need to submit to your husband's wishes. Your husband is the
head of the household and as such, should be the one to make the final
decision. I would only hope you have the opportunity to share with him some
of the things I've said in this article which may persuade him to act
differently. Should he insist on moving forward with your daughter then I
can only hope that you do everything you in your power to make it as
meaningful and memorable for her as well.
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Question: When all is said and done, what is the biggest thing to keep in
mind when considering whether or not to engage in incest?
Answer: Remember the rules I stated earlier this article. Keep in mind that
I would estimate that 99.99% of all families should NOT engage in incest so
odds are you should NOT do it.
However, if a genuine opportunity should arise, I would hope that you take
advantage of it. The result could well be a more wonderful relationship with
your son or daughter than you ever imagined possible.
PLEASE - always put your son or daughter's safety and well-being first. Do
NOT do anything that could possibly harm anyone just to satisfy your own
sexual desires and cravings. ALWAYS err on the side of caution.
ALWAYS REMEMBER THIS:
YOU CAN LOVE YOUR DAUGHTER JUST AS MUCH WITHOUT FUCKING HER!