Subject: Rules of Engagement (MF, Mf, Mg, oral, incest, adultery)
Author: Kelly <pghpa_girl@yahoo.com>
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Although I wrote this to stand on its own as much as possible, it might help to
understand things better if you read my previous diary entries at
https://www.asstr-mirror.org/files/Authors/Kelly85/. The "About Me" directory also has a
lot more information about me as well if you're interested.
Summary:
The happiest day in my life so far without question has to be the day my
boyfriend Steve proposed to me. Before then I'd a lot of notions as to how my
life would be once I got married. Well, it shouldn�t be surprising that so far
there have been a few changes to those plans. Here's what my fiance and I have
worked out so far. Whether we're engaged or married, it's all the same with me
so why not get started now?
Note: Since the original publication I added Chapter 5 to illustrate the type of
responses I receive as a result of writing personal articles about myself.
It's really sad how pathetic some men's lives must be when all they have
to do is write such crap and pretend to be girls and such.
Table of Contents
Chapter 1 � Expectations vs. Reality
Chapter 2 � Rules for Steve and Kelly
Chapter 3 � Family Rules
Chapter 4 - Summary
Chapter 5 - Reader Response
Chapter 1 � Expectations vs. Reality
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YES!
One syllable, only three letters, yet is was the one word that changed my life
more than any other. OK, so �no� hasn�t exactly occupied a large part of my
vocabulary but this was different. It was my immediate and overwhelming
response to my boyfriend's question that I�d waited so anxiously to hear,
"Kelly, will you marry me?" Wow, talk about a moment I'll never forget...
It was a classic scene. Steve was on bended knee, the two of us out in the
middle of the woods after a horseback ride during a chilly late November
afternoon. It was so... perfect.
Oh my god, I'd dreamed of this moment for as long as I could remember. Granted,
the face of the guy proposing to me has varied over the years but the answer has
always been the same. Over the course of time I�d also thought about what would
happen AFTER I said yes. That also varied as I grew up but there were a few
things that I figured would be �for sure� that now I find aren�t nearly as cast
in concrete as I�d assumed they were.
For example, I�d always assumed that once I got married (engaged, married, all
the same to me), that my days of having sex with anyone I wanted at any time and
place would be over. My mother was my mentor when it came to being the
�perfect� wife. She was intensely loyal to her husband and NEVER cheated on him
while they were married - not even once. Many people have asked me over the
years if my parents were swingers but it just goes to show they don�t understand
the difference between incest and adultery. Or if nothing else, they watch too
much porn and forget that porn has nothing to do with real life.
Simply put, my mom taught me that adultery is having sex with someone OUTSIDE of
your marriage while incest is having sex with someone INSIDE your marriage.
It�s always seems pretty straight-forward to me but so people seem to have a
hard time grasping the concept. When my mom had sex with her father or my dad
enjoyed sex with my mom�s sister, that was all within their marriage so it was
incest and NOT adultery. No harm, no foul. When you marry a person you marry
their family as well.
When it comes to adultery my mom�s position was always clear without any nuance
or subtlety. In her mind adultery is a sin - period, and she has always been
quite adamant and forceful about it. There were simply no escape clauses or
rationalizations that worked for her. Perhaps that�s why I was so shocked when
she didn�t raise more of a fuss when my dad fucked my best friend Beth.
Granted, Beth was such a close friend of mine that she was practically a member
of our family but still, the DNA didn�t match. So anyway, it was because of my
mom�s influence that I just naturally assumed that I would be the same as her
once I got hitched. Being with my dad and uncles would still be allowed as it
was just incest but no more friends and strangers - or at least no more sex.
Of course all that only applies to SEX so it wasn't like I�m planning to become
a nun overnight. Everyone knows that blowjobs and touching aren�t sex as that
requires the penetration of a female vagina by a male penis. Yes, that is a
rather clinical definition but sometimes you have to be specific about such
things. The devil is in the details as they say... whoever the heck �they� are.
Well all that was before I was engaged to Steve and he became my fiance (and
soon to be my husband). What I hadn�t counted on was that the head of my new
family might have a few different ideas from mine. Face it, I figured the
incest thing alone would be a deal breaker for many guys. Besides, if a guy can
marry me and has my blessings when it comes to fucking my aunt and cousins, not
to mention my own mother, then why would he need to go elsewhere to satisfy his
needs?
Well as I started to say, Steve had other ideas. To my surprise he told me soon
after we got engaged that he wanted to swap. Sure we had been going to parties
and such before this but now that we were engaged I had assumed things would
change. In any case Steve signed us up with a swapping group through which
married (and engaged) couples get together and arrange to trade spouses for the
evening and/or night. To be sure, this was not some sort of swinging group or
crazy orgy scene. Also, unlike the parties we�ve gone to in the past, Steve and
I do everything together (although not necessarily in the same room) so it
wasn't like we go out hunting for sex on our own. So far it�s worked out fine
with but I can already see where things could get out of hand easily if we
didn't put some structure to it.
With our wedding date rapidly approaching, recently we finally had a long sit-
down and just talked about our expectations for marriage and how we anticipated
that our needs and feelings would be affected. It�s one of those things they
tell you in our church couples classes that every couple should do, although I
doubt our teacher at the time had quite in mind the topics we discussed! I
suppose we�d discussed about most all of this at one time or another since late
November when he proposed but it was never anything all that definite between
us. What follows is the result of that conversation. We didn�t write these down
or post them on the refrigerator, but I think we both know �the rules� now.
Chapter 2 � Rules for Steve and Kelly
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I�ve known Steve since I was in sixth grade after his family moved here. Sadly,
his parents divorced shortly after moving to Pittsburgh when his dad decided to
�trade up� to a young secretary at his new office. They lived near us and so
his sister Sharon and I quickly became good friends and we hung out a lot
together. As a result I often saw Steve and his younger brother but it was
Steve that caught my adolescent eye and captured my fertile teen imagination.
Being two years older than me he seemed so much more mature and handsome than
the jerks in my class. Plus he soon gained quite a reputation for hitting on
most every girl in school. We started dating after a camping trip which he was
reluctantly forced to join in with Sharon and her friends. We all had eyes for
Steve and given the more mature bodies of most of my friends I never dreamed he
would ever actually ask me out. I mean, at that age I was barely qualified for
a training bra while friends like Beth and Sharon already had boobs big enough
to make grown men stare - which many of them did much to their delight.
Steve lived up to his reputation by quickly becoming my �first� - in a lot of
ways. It was with Steve that I enjoyed my first blowjob, had intercourse for
the first time, tried out public sex, shot my first nude photos, and even
witnessed my first incest scene. The incest thing was just a one-time event
after his mom caught us having sex in their basement. Both Steve and his mom
swear that nothing ever happened between them like that ever again. After what
I�ve witnessed for almost a year now I have to say that while at first I didn't
believe them because of how touchy-feely they were with each other but now I do
without a doubt.
Although we didn't see each other for almost eight years after his mom was
transferred (there was one weekend when he got married... long story for another
time), I still felt I had a pretty good handle as to what Steve liked and didn't
like. After all, how much can a guy really change? Well I was about to find
out and I quickly learned that I wasn�t entirely correct about anything.
One thing I�ve always known and that is that Steve loves to party and that
includes having public sex at parties. He especially loves getting blowjobs in
front of his friends which fortunately has always been my specialty. Heck, we
did enough parties once we started dating again last year. What I didn�t expect
was that he would want to continue doing them even AFTER we got married. At
first I decided that being engaged wasn't really being married yet so we could
bend the rules and see how it went before making a full commitment. As it
turned out I liked it a lot - more than I ever figured I would - at least the
way Steve likes to do it. Sure, gang bangs and orgies can be fun now and then
when you�re single but I didn't see the use of it all after I was married - and
still don�t. The group we have been dealing with does just one-to-one couple
pairings and no orgies. The sense of intimacy is such that I really have found
it to be erotic and enjoyable.
So what we eventually decided on became our first rule:
Rule #1: Swapping with another couple is OK so long as we both are involved.
Another thing that surprised me about Steve was how similar he was to my dad
when it came to his sexual needs. It was almost like Steve was more my dad�s
son than a soon-to-be son-in-law. I�ve scoffed in the past when people say
girls tend to marry their fathers - at least in terms of personality and
behavior. Well, in my case it�s turned out to be a lot truer than I ever would
have dared to dream.
First, like my dad Steve has a HUGE sex drive and seems to constantly want sex -
make that NEED sex. It can be just a hand-job or a blowjob or full on sex, most
anything works. The key is anything is OK so long as his dick gets stimulated.
As his wife (or at least soon to be his wife) I believe that I�m morally and
biblically bound to honor and obey my husband, just as I do as my father�s
daughter, which leaves me little choice in the matter. I�ve NEVER said �no� to
my dad when he has asked me for sex and it is my intention to never refuse my
husband�s needs as well. Being rational about it I am sure there will be those
times when I have to turn him away but I want those times to be as few and as
far apart as possible.
Rule #2: Steve can expect sex whenever he needs it but he has to let Kelly know
when it�s a �need� versus a �want�. �Needs� are always granted but
�wants� are up to Kelly at the time.
Another area where my fiance and dad share an interest is when it comes to young
girls. I�m not talking like seventeen or eighteen but more like eleven to
fourteen. This one is a little touchy for me as it is one of the major reasons
for my parents� divorce. My mother didn�t believe in underage sex (as in under
eighteen) outside of incest and even then she forced my dad to wait to have sex
with me until I was the one to initiate it. As a result he was not the one to
take my virginity, something I still feel guilty about and which I know my dad
has never fully forgiven my mother.
My dad has always had a deep lusting for young girls, particularly the eleven to
fourteen range, but so long as he kept it to at the fantasy level using porn and
didn�t indulge in the real thing my mom was OK with it. It seemed the older my
dad got the more intense these �needs� became in him and eventually it was
one of the reasons he split with my mom. Now my aunt lives with him - my mom�s
younger sister who shares my dad�s desires. Of course Aunt Linda goes more for
the boys but she doesn�t exactly turn away the girls either. Aunt Linda and my
cousin Kristi were involved early on and she even shared her daughter with some
of her boyfriends although she didn't let any of them have sex with Kristi until
she was fourteen.
So anyway, now that my Aunt Linda is living with my dad they are heavily into
that sort of scene. Somehow she managed to get involved with a large group of
families with similar interests which has allowed my dad to finally realize his
dreams. As it turns out, somehow she learned out that my boyfriend (now my
fiance) had similar desires and so she let him join in as well, even though she
knew my feelings about the matter at he time. Although I did get involved a
couple of times with my dad, it was just to make him happy. I�ve since sworn
never to be involved again so finding out that my fiance had been doing these
things without me knowing about it was the reason for the next rule...
Rule #3: Whatever Steve does with underage kids is OK so long as Kelly is not
involved or hears about it.
While this may seem a little odd to some people and perhaps even a bit
hypocritical considering my stance on the matter in the past, I have no
intentions of making the same mistake that my mother did and try to change the
basic nature of my husband. Sooner or later it will only blow up in my face, as
it eventually did in hers. Either I accept Steve for what he is and deal with
it or I shouldn�t marry him. The problem is that my Aunt Linda was in a similar
situation when she got married. Her new husband claimed that he as OK with her
being involved with incest but after Kristi was born and he wasn�t sure whose
daughter she was that he demanded that Linda stop having sex with anyone but
him. Of course that was a totally selfish and unfair demand as it required my
Aunt Linda to abandon the most important thing next to God - her family. She
had no choice but to divorce him. I was not going to make the same mistake.
Of course there are a few unspoken �rules�. Steve has learned to put down the
toilet seat (well... most of the time at least). He also knows better than to
cum in my hair although his aim for that is about as good as his aim at the
toilet. To be fair, Steve has had to make some adjustments for me as well. I�ve
overheard him tell people that I�m �high maintenance� but then what do you
expect when you marry a girl who was a single child and spoiled rotten by her
dad (his words, not mine).
Of course, the biggest thing for Steve to adjust to has got to be the incestual
nature of my family. Just forget about what happened between Steve and his mom
over twelve years ago. THAT was a one-time thing and was more his mother�s
fault than his. Steve�s sister had a huge crush on her older brother and
indeed, Sharon often would tell me how jealous she was of me that I got to be
fucked all the time by him. Still, much to her chagrin Steve never showed any
interest in his sister that way. Today he and his mother are quite close and
they sometimes will touch each other and kiss but it�s always over their
clothes. Due to circumstances they are very close in some ways but it�s never
sexual. Erotic maybe, but not overtly sexual.
Steve had no idea I was having sex with my dad when we were dating in high
school - largely because at the time I wasn't. It was a year and a half after
he moved away before all that happened. When he moved back to the area last
year I didn�t tell him about it then either. I�d told another guy once before
when I thought he was going to propose to me and got burned badly by the entire
affair so I was a little gun shy. It wasn�t until I was sure he was going to
propose that I told him and even then he didn't believe me until he saw it for
his own eyes.
The only issue is that Steve doesn�t really believe in incest - at least not for
himself. He�s not really against it either as he sees what an important role it
plays in my life. Indeed, I�ve tried many times to explain to him why I do it -
how it bonds me with my father and how I feel an obligation to meet my duties as
a daughter from a biblical perspective. He claims that he understand but I can
see in his face that he doesn�t. I guess if I expect him to be discreet about
his dealings with young girls than I can do the same for him when it comes to
sex with my family.
So the next rule was similar to the rule about Steve and sex with young girls...
Rule #4 Whatever Kelly does with her family is OK so long as Steve isn�t
involved or has to hear about it.
Now that doesn�t mean he doesn�t want to have sex with my mom, aunt or cousins!
Indeed, he loves to be with my aunt - even more than with her daughter Kristi.
Plus he gets a major erection at the mere mention of my youngest cousin Tammy.
It�s just that he just doesn�t want to be involved when it comes to me and my
dad. It�s hard for me to understand as he seems to love seeing me being fucked
by other men - all men that is except my own father. I think that it has
something to do with his mom in that if he sees me with my dad then I might
expect to see him the same way with his mother and that�s simply not going to
happen.
There is one other interesting difference that we�ve learned about ourselves. I
have a natural tendency to masturbate... a LOT! I usually do it maybe two or
three times a day at the very least. Steve masturbates of course - what guy
doesn�t? However, he probably averages in a WEEK what I do in a DAY. Also,
for Steve the amount he masturbates depends a lot on how much sex he is getting.
The more sex, the less he masturbates. In contrast, the more sex I have the
more I seem to want to masturbate. I will even masturbate right after sex! I
guess it it�s just a guy versus girl thing. But in any case, after some rather
tense moments we came up with the next rule:
Rule #5: When Kelly needs to masturbate Steve lets her - no questions.
(Now who do you suppose wrote the rules?)
Chapter 3 � Family Rules
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Every family has its quirks and ours are no different. Once Steve and I got
engaged we realized that if our marriage was going to be successful then we
needed the help and support of our families - especially when it came to sex.
My fear was that it would be far too easy for things to get out of hand and out
of control if we didn't establish some rule and boundaries from the start.
First there was Steve�s mom. As I said earlier, while she and Steve could be
quite intimate at times, it was never overtly sexual. That�s not to say she
wasn't interested in watching us having sex. One of the things I had to adjust
to the most when I started going to his house for sex was having his mother
staring at us the whole time. Still, that�s all she ever does - watch. Unlike
my mother who use to masturbate when I had sex with my dad in front of her,
Steve�s mom doesn�t touch herself while Steve and I are doing it other than
maybe a quick pass at her breasts. While I learned to accept her little fetish,
there WERE time I wanted to be alone with Steve.
It�s not just Steve�s mom that is the voyeur. My dad has been watching me have
sex with boys since I was fourteen and I know my aunt loves to see us as well.
If my mom was here there is no doubt she wouldn�t leave the room if we got
started.
Hence the next rule:
Rule #6: When we want privacy, we get privacy.
I don�t intend to invoke this rule often as I am now accustomed to his mom being
in the room with us and to be fair, she never says a word or interferes in any
way. As for my family, we�re sort of asking for it if we do it at my dad�s
house so if we want privacy we just do it elsewhere. Also, it�s not like I
don�t like being watched. I found out early on in high school at parties and
such that I LOVE being the center of attention and nothing grants that wish more
than fucking every guy in the room. Still, there are times I just want to be
alone with Steve and NOT be on display.
The next rule is almost a repeat of a previous one but I wanted my dad and Aunt
Linda to be clear about what I expected from them.
Rule #7: Never ask Kelly to be involved in underage sex.
OK, I think I�ve discussed THAT topic more than enough already.
Chapter 4 � Summary
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As I said, it�s not like we typed these up and posted them on a bulletin board
but here they are, I�m sure as we move along that these will change and to be
honest, I�m sort of looking forward to seeing just how they do change!
Rule #1: Swapping with another couple is OK so long as we both are involved.
Rule #2: Steve can expect sex whenever he needs it but he has to let Kelly know
when it�s a �need� versus a �want�. �Needs� are always granted but
�wants� are up to Kelly at the time.
Rule #3: Whatever Steve does with underage kids is OK so long as Kelly is not
involved or hears about it.
Rule #4: Whatever Kelly does with her family is OK so long as Steve isn�t
involved or has to hear about it.
Rule #5: When Kelly needs to masturbate Steve lets her - no questions.
Rule #6: When we want privacy, we get privacy.
Rule #7: Never ask Kelly to be involved in underage sex.
Chapter 5 - Reader Response
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After I initially published this I quickly received several responses. As is
typically the case the response was mixed. Some fully supported me and
applauded my willingness to accept new ideas and be willing to compromise.
However, numerous others have chastised me for abandoning my principles and
being a hypocrite. Here's a letter I got from one such person.
From: Debbie Landing <debbie.landing@gmx.com>
To: Kelly
Sent: Wed, June 15, 2011 9:42:40 PM
Subject: Rules of Engagement
Hello,
So I don't understand? For your whole life up until last year you believed
what the bible was telling you about (incest) in your family was okay.
Then you meet this guy again and you completely change your biblical view,
your worldview because you want to get married and you "love" Steve.
Hmmm...and maybe you were afraid of losing him like the guy you lost a
couple of years ago? So Steve is more important than God, right? He must
be unless you found a paragraph or a sentence to justify how he wants to
"double" date outside the family and date little girls not related to him.
Where does it say that's okay in the Bible? Oh my goodness. RUN!!!
Debbie (Bible Major at Grace College)
Typically I just read such letters and put them aside as I learned long ago I
can't please everybody no matter which direction I go. In fact it's one of the
reasons I closed my web site in that I was fed up with dealing with hurtful
people. However in this case I couldn�t help but respond...
From: Kelly
To: Debbie Landing <debbie.landing@gmx.com>
Sent: 06/16/11 12:22 AM
Subject: Re: Rules of Engagement
I guess it's easy to be judgmental but I�m not afraid to say that I may
have been wrong in the past. I love Steve and he makes me feel good and
happy. We won�t have an "open" marriage or anything like that where we
just go off and have sex with anyone we want at any time. Any swapping
would have to include us both - as a husband and wife.
Compromise is needed to make a marriage work, don't you agree?
Kelly
To my surprise, I received a response. I say surprised in that in most cases
when I get such hurtful e-mail the person never wants to stand up to their own
ideas and principles.
From: Debbie Landing <debbie.landing@gmx.com>
To: Kelly
Sent: Thu, June 16, 2011 5:57:41 AM
Subject: Re: Rules of Engagement
Before compromise there is the covenant between you, Steve, and God.
Unless it's going to be a civil ceremony. Then I will at least give you
points that you recognize this is not what God wants for marriage. Can you
change him? Unlikely, but maybe down the road. Sometimes a very serious
life incident will happen to that person to help them want to reevaluate
the way they live their life. I think God puts these in our path to bring
us back to Him.
But some 69 with you would still be a lot of fun before I go back to
school (as I'm masturbating just thinking about it). Oh...Oh...
So who is better at oral you, Kristi, or your best friend, what's her
name, oh yes, Beth. Is Beth okay? You don't say so much anymore about her.
Or perhaps I just missed it. I haven't poured through every story. Will
she be your maid of honor?
Debbie...
I couldn't help but feel this letter exposed someone who has a lot more problems
to deal herself with than whet she claimed I was having. On the one hand she
castigated me for my beliefs and then in the next paragraph implied she was
masturbating while fanaticizing about having sex with me. Thus I responded....
From: Kelly
To: Debbie Landing <debbie.landing@gmx.com>
Sent: Thu Jun 16th, 2011 7:31 AM EDT
Subject: My Marriage
Debbie,
I really can't blame you for being judgmental and not understanding. It�s
easy for people who do not have to face such decisions themselves to say
how they would react, I myself was confident in my own beliefs back when
I didn�t have to face the consequences. So long as a person doesn�t
violate their core beliefs and values, adapting to new events in their
lives is something that should be encouraged rather than disparaged. I
have always contended that God comes first, followed by my family. So
long as I feel that I honor God overall then the details are not an issue.
It�s no different than having hundreds of different churches. So long as
they have a core value system that is biblical in nature, does it matter
what idiosyncrasies they may have with regards to ritual and worship
practices?
None of this has been easy for me, believe me. I have prayed and
discussed this with friends and families extensively before coming to any
conclusions. The fact that God brought Steve back into my life after
being gone for so many years demonstrates to me that this is all part of
His plan for me. Think about it... these days how many girls marry the
one who took her virginity? Granted there were a lot of others between
that first time and our wedding day but still, isn�t that an indicator of
how special our marriage will be? I know Steve would never do anything to
hurt me and if I asked, I�m sure he would stop doing anything with my Aunt
Linda and my dad with regards to their special needs. At the same time,
would that really be fair of me as his wife to try and change such a
fundamental part of him?
I only have to look at my parent's marriage for that answer. Growing up,
I had no idea of the deep conflicts my father faced daily because he tried
to do what my mother demanded of him. The fact he managed to do so for
over 25 years just shows how much he loved my mother and honored their
marriage. How many marriages today last even five years, let along 25?
Still, I want mine to last until I die, not until my husband finally
cannot contain the demons within him. I think it is better to acknowledge
who he is and deal with it than force him to try and change by using his
love for me as a weapon against him.
So yes, I DO believe this is what God wants for my marriage. I WILL be
married in a church. I WILL say my vows before Him. I feel secure in the
knowledge that I am far better equipped to face the ups and downs of
married life far better than most women simply because I understand my
duties and obligations as wife and companion to my husband. It�s no
different than fulfilling my duties and obligations to my father as a
daughter and that has never been a problem for me.
Will our marriage be perfect? No, that would be silly even to expect. We
are both humans and have our frailties. Of course I would love things to
be different in some ways but then I�m not perfect either and Steve
suffers my faults as well without any complaints. Isn't that the true
nature of marriage, to be able to love your spouse no matter what?
So I�d appreciate it if you would pray for me but at the same time don't
worry about me. I�m comfortable now with my decisions and my choices.
God is, and always will be, first in my life. It is His will that guides
me and I know he will see me through it all in the end.
Sincerely,
Kelly
Unfortunately the inevitable then came about. As I suspected, this guy had no
interest in my marriage or wedding. It was just a ruse to try to trick me into
providing him with an open ear by which he (yes - HE) could dispense his
fantasies...
From: Debbie Landing <debbie.landing@gmx.com>
To: Kelly
Sent: Thu Jun 16th, 2011 11:53 AM EDT
Subject: Please don't tell anyone - my problem (private)
Kelly,
The reason I want to go to a doctor is I can't orgasm. Not sure why. I
think it's because I'm afraid of men, at least getting intimate. So I've
read a lot about this problem. It may take a lot of time to resolve. But
if I get the wrong doctor (you know what I mean), he could make it worse.
I want to resolve this before I get married obviously. Kelly it's so
embarrassing. Do other women really have this problem? I mean you cum
multiple times many times when you are with someone else. I can't even do
it when I masturbate. It's like I get right up to the edge and it will not
go over that hump. Please don't tell anyone else or print this because I'm
really embarrassed. How will a guy love me if I can't make love right?
They might think something is wrong with them and it could make the
problem worse.
Anyway that's about as open as I can be with you now. Isn't it weird how
you can feel more comfortable telling a stranger about a problem, rather
than someone you know? I mean if I thought it would help I would consider
having sex with a woman, if it could eventually help my future marriage.
Is this sex though? Am I breaking my vows to not have sex before marriage?
I don't think so but not sure about the woman on woman thing...
I would ask you to ask a friend for a good doctor but I don't know if it's
better to get a doctor back at school since I'm there all the time or in
my area at home.
Well I can't tell you much more than that about this problem. Sometimes
I'm really dry so that makes it harder too. I've tried soft music, trying
to completely relax, nothing works.
I need to get in a situation where I'm distracted so it could just
naturally happen maybe...
I'm shaking...
I certainly don�t mean to waste your time. I just can't go further about
truth. If you don't believe what I said that's fine too. If I change my
mind one day I will tell you more but why give you all of my private
information when we both don't want to meet or have any kind of
relationship? It's kind of silly, right. Just like you said, a waste of
time.
I WILL pray for you and Steve and hope you will have a long and happy
marriage with as many healthy children as you want. The letter seems like
you are very angry so sorry if I did that to you. I do appreciate you
speaking with me so thank you.
Wishing you the best,
Debbie
Now that I now longer maintain a web site, such correspondence just pisses me
off rather than turning me. So my final response was...
From: Kelly
To: Debbie Landing <debbie.landing@gmx.com>
Sent: Thu Jun 16th, 2011 12:46 PM EDT
Subject: waste of time
At least we agree on one thing - this is a total waste of time. I simply
have no patience with obnoxious people who pretend to be someone and try
to tease me into corresponding with them. I don't know what game you're
playing but don't include me in the future.
Kelly
Then the shoe finally dropped and the "real" guy appeared...
From: Debbie Landing <debbie.landing@gmx.com>
To: Kelly
Sent: Thu Jun 16th, 2011 2:10 PM EDT
Subject: Let me explain exactly what was going on
So let me explain exactly what was happening. You see I'm staying with my
uncle and God knows why but he actually cared about you! He tried to share
exactly who he was, giving you pictures of our family, suggesting a couple
of improvements for your site, and wanting to discuss his life with yours.
Then after you virtually fucked, you asked him to masturbate, he teased
you by texting, and you misinterpreted a sexual "dangerous" word you got
angry. You could of been nice and told him why you didn't want to speak
with him anymore, but instead you decided to see how far this poor
pathetic man would go. Finally you decided to block him w/o really
explaining why? Was it the texting? Was it too many emails? Was it his
lame attempt to find out what you meant by "sharing" which you never did
explain to him. No, you just kept accepting letters and additional
material for your web site. So the next time you talk about telling the
truth and not having patience, go look into a fuckin mirror lady. Because
you used my uncle, instead of cutting it off nicely when you could have
when appropriate bitch. So that's the game we all were playing. Wasn't it
fun! We learned so much about each other. The sad part is he would of
given you anything you wanted, including his address, phone number,
etc...if you had told him what you meant by sharing. No, it was you who
didn't want to share and dragged my uncle through the mud of your slimy
web site. God knows what he see in it because you�re a bitch. You know
nothing about what a marriage covenant is either. You just twist it to
match your lust for your fiance. Well good luck with that!
Debbie for my Uncle.
How sad and pathetic that there are men out there with nothing better to do than
this sort of crap. Once he wrote this message I knew who it was - some guy how
had literally been stalking me for weeks, flooding my inbox with emails and
texting me constantly. He used multiple e-mail addresses to try and fool me but
sooner or later his basic nature always came through... just as it did with this
exchange.
And so it goes. If he writes me again I�ll just hit the spam button (again for
yet another e-mail address he has used with me) without reading it.
Sad to say this was NOT atypical but rather a perfect example the type of crap I
deal with all the time. While not nearly as prevalent as it was when I was
running a web site, it still continues. Why men think that by posing as a girl
it will make me want to talk to them any more than if they were honest with me
is something I�ll never understand.
When you read all this I�m sure you can now understand why I closed my web site!