Subject: My Thoughts About Underage Sex
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Updated: September 11, 2015
Author: Kelly <pghp_girl@yahoo.com>
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Summary
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I?ve posted a number of fantasies and stories that include references to
sex with underage children. As a result I?ve received a lot of mail about
it - most supportive but some not (to put it mildly). In almost every
case, whether positive or negative, I find that most people really don't
understand my true position on the subject so I wrote this article to try
and clear things up a bit.
Table of Contents
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Chapter 1 - Disclaimers
Chapter 2 - Definitions
Chapter 3 - My Core Principles
Chapter 4 - Summary
Chapter 5 - Some General Thoughts About Underage Sex
Chapter 6 - A Typical Girl's Sexual Timeline
Chapter 7 - Infant Sex (under 8)
Chapter 8 - Child Sex (Ages 8-9)
Chapter 9 - Preteen Sex (Ages 10-12)
Chapter 10 - Teen Sex (Ages 13-17)
Chapter 11 - Incestual Sex
Chapter 1 - Disclaimers
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Let me make this perfectly clear from the start....
This is NOT an article intended to promote child pornography or abuse. I
do NOT trade or even want photos of anyone under eighteen - clothed or
otherwise. If you DO send me any such thing it will be deleted and you
will be added to my ignore list and will never hear from me again. If
you persist I will turn you over to the authorities. I do NOT wish to
promote, encourage or enable anyone to actually DO anything illegal.
That said, I?ll readily admit that I encourage people to express their
most intimate and personal FANTASIES and desires, regardless of what they
are. This is predicated on the premise that such discussions are
limited to a person's FANTASIES and not any real actions on their part.
I firmly believe that personal fantasies should be respected, no matter
how perverse or disgusting they may seem to others (including me). I may
not agree with someone else?s fantasize about but I strongly believe in
their right to have them.
Chapter 2 - Definitions
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It?s difficult to discuss a topic as touchy as underage sex without first
agreeing on some basic definitions. Many terms such as ?sex? and
?underage? are tossed about with widely varying meanings. While I?m
quite sure others have their own definitions for these, I?ll use the
following for the purposes of this article. Remember to keep in mind
these definitions are based on discussing topics regarding sexual
activity, not for legal or other purposes.
When discussing these sort of topics I find a lot of people misunderstand
what I mean when I use certain phrases or words so before discussing this
topic any further, a few definitions are in order. Remember that these
are MY definitions which dictate how I lead MY life so if yours are
different then while reading this, try to remember what mine are before
you make any judgments.
Sex: The penetration, however slight, of a female vagina by a male
penis. Once ANY part of a penis is in, even if it's just the very
tip, it's as good as ALL in so far as the act is concerned. Even
if the hymen remains intact it's still sex.
Virgin: Someone who has never engaged in sex. For a girl this has
nothing to do with the status of her hymen as many girls break
their hymen through sports or other activities such as
masturbation yet they are still virgins until they have sex. It
doesn?t matter if the penis doesn?t go in far enough to break the
hymen - she?s no longer a virgin from the moment the tip of the
penis penetrates her vagina. Thus those men who get off pushing
the tip of their dick into little girls so they can cum in them
are also taking her virginity. In the end, there is no true
?test? for a girl?s virginity, no different than for boys.
Family: The members of your immediate family out to and including aunts,
uncles and first cousins whether by blood OR marriage. DNA
doesn?t makes a family - it?s the relationships that count. For
instance, if someone is adopted then they become part of the
family. When two people marry, their families are merged into
one based on the marital relationship and all are treated as
members of the same family.
Incest: The act of sex between members of the same family. Based on my
definition of family, sex between in-laws would be considered
incest. If two people marry and each has kids from a former
marriage then sex between their step-children would now become
incestual whereas it wasn't before they got married. Incest is
all about the family regardless of how it is created.
Adultery: When a married person has sex with someone not in their family
with the intent of cheating on their spouse. Three important
things to take from that, all of which must be met to commit
adultery...
1) It?s the INTENT that determines whether sex becomes
adultery.
2) You can't commit adultery unless you're married. If you're
single and have sex with a married person without the
consent of their spouse, THEY are the ones committing
adultery, not you.
3) Incestual sex does not constitute adultery as by
definition, sex is already ?approved? within the family
members.
Oral "Sex": At its core, sex is fundamentally a reproductive act even
though most of the time that?s not the intended purpose. Thus by
definition ?oral sex" is NOT sex. Because it?s NOT sex, engaging
in ?oral sex" cannot be considered adultery OR incest. Note that
by using the same logic, ?anal sex" is not sex either.
Underage: A general term for anyone under the age of eighteen. I realize
that "age of consent" varies between states and countries but for
purposes of this article, the following age ranges are used:
Infant: 1-7
Child: 8-10
Preteen: 11-12
Teen: 13-17
Adult: 18 and older
While ages 1-7 is certainly not a good overall definition for ?infant?,
it works so far as this article as anyone in this age bracket is treated
the same so far as sexual activities are concerned.
Chapter 3 - My Core Principles
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There are three primary principles that guide my thoughts regarding
underage sex:
1. The needs of a child ALWAYS come first. When it comes to sex or
anything even remotely related to it, if there?s ANY doubt then simply
DON?T DO IT. It?s ALWAYS better to err on the side of caution. I abhor
child abuse, especially sexual molestation and exploitation. People who
abuse children deserve the maximum punishment allowable.
2. Sex between adults and underage kids is illegal in the USA and most
countries. Thus as a general rule I don?t condone sex between adults and
minors, even when it?s incestual, as it rarely can his be kept a secret.
Even in those cases where the opportunity?s there, careful consideration
is required beforehand as to the potential psychological, physical,
moral, ethical and legal ramifications.
3. Incestual sex, at least when practiced properly and NOT as a perverted
rationalization for child abuse, is distinctly different from "regular"
sex in that family love and support mechanisms are present. As a result
the "rules" for underage sex in incestual situations can be less
restrictive.
Chapter 4 - Summary
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Here?s a summary of my views on underage sex:
Infant (7 and under)
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YES: familiarization with casual nudity with emphasis on modesty
information limited to that needed for protection from predators
NO: ANY sexual activity - including oral sex and fondling of sex organs
ANY direct involvement in sexual activities
ANY detailed discussions about sex beyond that needed for protection
Exposure to pornographic material
While I realize that there are some people who claim that their children
enjoy sexual activities at this age, I really don?t believe them. The
only thing at all I would promote is not to instill into your child any
sense of shame regarding their body. Thus casual nudity would be OK
although only from the standpoint that it?s not something to be
embarrassed about versus any sexual connotations. However, IF a family
is going to go in that direction then the parents need to ensure their
children learn how to get along in a culture where nudity is instantly
associated with sex.
While I am opposed to any direct involvement when it comes to sex, at the
same time I don?t see any need to hide it either. For instance, parent?s
shouldn?t have to worry about closing doors or ensuring the kids are
asleep before having sex. The would also include allowing them to see
you masturbate or having sex. The caveat to all this is that if you?re
going to allow your kids to see you having sex or masturbate, then it?s
your responsibility to ensure they understand that it?s something adults
do and NOT something they are to do with their siblings or friends or
discuss outside the family. If nothing else, I think it?s good for
children to see their parents expressing their love for one another.
Let?s be real though, seeing your parents making love is NOT the same as
watching a sex orgy in the living room so some common sense needs to be
applied if you?re thinking of going this route.
I realize that some people get sexually excited by infants. All I can
say is if that is your thing, find a way to satisfy yourself without them
being actively involved. If you are bathing them and your hands tend to
focus on certain areas, so long as they're not doing the same with you
what's the big deal? For example, my husband enjoys the feel of his dick
rubbing against our three year-old daughter's bare butt, to the point
where sometimes it causes him to orgasm. I doubt she even knows what's
touching her, let alone what it does for her father so as long as it
stays at that level, no harm no foul in my book. Remember, he's cumming
on her butt, not her mouth! Again, the key is they shouldn't know
they're "involved".
Child (8-9)
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YES: hand stimulation - self and others
observation of masturbation
discussions about sex focusing on the mechanics and safety
oral sex
NO: sex (penetration)
observing sex, real or through multimedia (porn), other than family
Oral should be promoted at this age as it can help to bridge between the
age of blissful ignorance and the beginnings of sex. I know some people
will take this out of context. I only include oral sex (for lack of
better words) as being OK at this age because it MAY serve help to
bridge between the age of blissful ignorance of an infant and the
beginnings of sex later on as a preteen. I see this more as a means to
satisfy the natural curiosity of a child more than an active sexual
activity.
The driver for me at this age is memories of me jerking off my dad when I
was eight. I had no idea really what I was doing ? it was just childhood
curiosity. I know today that he would have loved me to have sucked him
as well and looking back, I don?t see what harm that would have caused.
Remember, we're talking about my father, not some kid next door or a
teacher at school.
Preteen (10-12)
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YES: masturbation
oral sex
sex with an underage partner
incestual sex with an adult family member
sex with an non-family adult under parental supervision
NO: unsupervised non-incestual sex with an adult
This is an age where kids start to explore themselves and others.
?Playing doctor? is just one common means most of us have done ourselves.
It?s also an impressionable age where attitudes towards sex are developed
which can follow us for the rest of our lives. Oral sex is a great way
to allow natural urges to be addressed while masturbation should be
actively encouraged with none of the stigma and ridiculous taboo
attitudes. If this leads to real sex with a friend or sibling, then
rather than trying to thwart their natural desires, this should be used
as an opportunity to teach respect as well as proper attention to the
prevention of STDs and unwanted pregnancies.
Condoning sex with this age with an adult is something that I?ve only
considered in recent years after having personally witnessed such
activity. Of course I know what the adults REALLY want in such
situations - I?m not THAT naive. Even so, seeing for myself the
reactions of the kids and the positive effect it has on their self-
confidence and maturity was an eye-opener for me. The catch for me is
that regardless of all of this, I still feel it must be supervised by
their parents unless it?s incestual. After all, if you can?t trust your
own family then who can you?
Teen (13-17)
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YES: sex with any partner
NO: anything against their personal convictions (anal, etc.)
So in other words, go for it! If you?re going to condone preteen sex
with adults, then it would be pretty hypocritical not to allow teenagers
the same rights with even more flexibility. Of course this all should be
closely monitored and in some cases still supervised by their parents
depending on their maturity level.
Chapter 5 - Some General Thoughts About Underage Sex
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As I?ve just stated in my overall guidelines, true incestual sex follows
different rules thanks to the associated family support and love. When
I?ve had sex with my cousins our ages really didn't factor into the
equation. The only thing that really mattered was whether or not they
were ready emotionally AND physically.
So far as sex outside my family, there was a time not long ago when the
answer to this question would have been an unqualified NO but for reasons
of adultery, not age. My mother was quite strict about such things and
as I grew up she instilled her beliefs in me. I knew that my father had
always been interested in young girls based on his porn collection which
was heavily biased towards tweens and preteens yet at the same time it
was all just fantasy in that he never ACTED on his desires.
My mother knew better than to try and totally shut him down knowing that
would just force him to have to hide what he did. So as long as my dad
kept things limited to porn and fantasy, my mom was OK. The problems
started when her sister enabled him by bringing him into groups she
belonged to that promoted underage sex such that he was able to actually
act out his deepest desires. Realizing there was no way to stop him
short of neutering him, my mom was left with no choice but to divorce him
- not because she didn?t love him but because she couldn?t compromise her
own principles and stand by while her husband engaged in activities she
didn?t approve of.
While I was engaged, I learned that my fianc‚ shared the same desires and
interests that most men have when it comes to young girls but like my dad
(at least at that time) and the vast majority of men his desires were
restricted to fantasies and porn. I?ve always said that there are no
limits to fantasies - it?s what someone DOES that counts so I had no
issue with any of this.
Once we got married my new husband started to take advantage of his
?privileges? of being part of my family by having sex regularly with my
mom?s sister - my Aunt Linda. It didn't take long before he learned that
she could provide him with the same opportunities that she did for my dad
when it came to having sex with underage girls. Well, how could I blame
him for doing exactly the same thing that just about all normal men would
under the same circumstances? Face it, the only thing that prevents most
men from having sex with young girls is lack of opportunity.
Just as I had with my dad when he became involved in such activities, I
initially stayed away from my husband?s new exploits as much as possible.
However, just as things were with my dad, it proved impossible to remain
completely isolated. As a result I attended several ?family? parties
with him and for the first time I engaged in non-incestual sex with a
number of young boys, some as young as twelve and thirteen (although I
really preferred the older boys, like fifteen or sixteen). What I
learned was that it wasn?t like these young girls and boys were being
lured into some sort of perverted sex ring or anything like that.
Everything was done consensually with their parents? full permission and
encouragement and observation. What really astonished me was how much
more mature the kids seemed overall. Their self-confidence and
acceptance of their budding sexuality was a testimony to the positive
impact this type of thing could have when properly done. Of course, they
also were obviously enjoying themselves immensely!
Have you ever noticed how many erotic story and porn sites promote the
idea of very young children enjoying sex, even at the age of five or six
or even younger in extreme cases? Now if all this is ONLY someone's
fantasy, then despite any personal objections I may have about the
subject matter I wouldn't condemn it because of my "anything goes when it
comes to fantasy" principle. However, if such actions ARE real, then
that's an entirely different issue.
If there is one crime even more contemptible than rape, it would be child
molestation. To take advantage of the innocence of a child to satisfy
someone's own perverted desires is a heinous and horrific crime.
Psychologists claim that pedophilia is NOT treatable so anyone engaging
in child molestation should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law
and then kept isolated from children for the rest of their miserable
slimy lives.
Nobody can ever convince me that an infant or child has the ability to
CONSENT to having SEX. By "consent" I'm referring to a mature
understanding of the concept and ramifications, not agreeing to the act
itself. A child will "consent" to many things a more mature person
wouldn?t, especially if they think it would please their parents.
AGREEING to do something is not the same as CONSENTING to it. It's why
most of our laws define the legal age of consent as being eighteen - to
ensure the person is mature enough to make an informed decision.
Because they cannot consent, I do NOT believe that any child or infant
should engage in sex under ANY circumstance (remember my definition of
se!) Regardless of whether they "agree" to it or not, sex with an infant
or child is molestation. Even though they might enjoy it or find it
pleasurable, especially at the upper end of the age range, they should
NOT be involved with sex because of the potential negative implications
for their future health - mental and physical. I would also say that
most preteens are not old enough to be involved with sex although
exceptions certainly exist depending on the family situations and the
maturity of the child.
While I can't speak authoritatively for boys, I CAN say that even if a
young girl can be physically stimulated and enjoys being touched in a
sexual manner, it doesn't mean she likes SEX per se. All it really means
is she likes to be touched that way. For a young girl, touching her
chest and crotch is no different than touching her back or legs in that
she simply enjoys the feelings she gets when those place are touched.
As an example, my father use to scratch my back at night when I was
young and I loved it. Often it would help me to fall sleep on those
nights when I was restless. He could just as easily have fondled my
pussy and flat chest with the same results and I would've never have
known the difference. A girl needs to learn to respect her body and to
expect others to respect it as well if she is ever going to be
comfortable with herself later in life.
Frankly, I don't believe 99% of the things people tell me on-line that
they do with kids but often I'll go along with them if they're
interesting to talk with. Over the years there have been a few
situations where I worried that things might actually be getting out of
hand for real at the other end. In those cases I immediately cut off all
contact with that person. Maybe I should've turned them over to the
authorities as well but I just didn't want to be associated with them any
further.
If any of this seems odd to hear from me, it's probably because you've
been reading my chats and e-mails without paying attention to my REAL
thoughts and opinions. While I've chatted with people, exchanged e-
mails, and even written fantasies about preteen and child sex, they have
NEVER been anything more than just fantasies and role-playing for me (as
I believe it is for them as well).
Because of the chats and e-mails and stories I?ve posted, I know people
often get the wrong impression of me. Even though I say over and over
again how I really feel, people continue to ignore me and then write to
accuse me of being a pedophile or just plain perverted. Thus through
this article I'm trying to put this issue to rest once and for all.
This article was very hard to write as while I feel I fully understand my
principles and guidelines quite well, putting them down on paper was a
lot harder than I'd expected. My apologies if this is getting redundant
but I just want to be sure people don't misunderstand what I'm trying to
say and maybe they can finally understand how I really feel about this
subject.
Chapter 6 - A Typical Girl's Sexual Timeline
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Before discussing underage sex, I think it's important to understand the
"normal" timeline for most girls when it comes to dealing with sex. I
don't intend for this to be some sort of sex-ed text so I'll stick just
to the basic sexual acts which I find most resources don't like to
discuss with any sense of reality. If anyone wants to learn about child
physical development and such, there are plenty of web sites available.
Also, as I don't have much experience with boys, most of this discussion
will be about girls.
When does a girl learn that nudity is "bad", or least naughty? If you
watch young children, the girls will often run around bare-chested and
think nothing of it - and why should they? They look like the boys and
nobody has taught them yet that it's "wrong" to run around with their
nipples showing. Being worried about nudity is NOT something that comes
natural to kids. Sadly it is something we TEACH our children.
Don't get me wrong - I'm not a nudist and I don't really comprehend the
nudist lifestyle so let's leave that out of the discussion. My belief is
that some modesty is typically called for and that kids should be taught
what is appropriate under what circumstances given our culture and
lifestyles. However, I DO believe we go overboard when it comes to
making our kids (and thus future adults) neurotic about nudity.
Instead of teaching that nudity is wrong, I believe children need to be
taught it is something natural - while not to be flaunted either. For
instance, running around the house bare-ass naked all the time is
inappropriate so far as I'm concerned. However, a girl shouldn't have to
feel be embarrassed just because her daddy or brother sees her naked in
the bathroom - no more than they should have to hide themselves from her
when they get out of the shower.
If kids were taught that there is nothing to be ashamed of when it comes
to their bodies, they wouldn't associate nudity so closely with sex when
they got older. Kids today grow up to be teens thinking that being nude
with someone means you should be having sex with them. That's a screwed-
up connection that simply wouldn't be established if we taught our kids
properly when they were younger.
Because of this misguided connection, and because we teach our kids that
sex is "bad" before marriage, girls start worrying about covering
themselves up at an early age. Even a six year-old will cover her flat
chest if exposed accidentally - but only because her mommy has taught her
to react that way. Then when she reaches puberty and starts to change,
she DOES become embarrassed as she's told that people aren't supposed to
see those "naughty" parts of her. Yet at the same time our society
promotes more and more sexy outfits and skimpy bikinis. Is it any wonder
so many teenage girls have such screwed up self- images?
Another crazy "connection" we teach our kids is that masturbation and sex
are directly related. Masturbation is a healthy, normal act that just
about everyone does, even if they don't like to discuss it or even admit
they do it. Yet for some reason we teach our kids that masturbation is
bad, or at least naughty, as if somehow that will keep them from having
sex before they get older.
This is similar to the point about nudity I just made. Imagine if we
taught our kids that masturbation wasn't something they had to hide or be
ashamed of when they did it. Just think of how much more comfortable
they would be with their own bodies and their own sexuality. Don't get
me wrong - I'm not promoting "masturbation night" or anything ridiculous
like that, just that we allow our kids to understand it's something
perfectly natural that their parents also do and that when they get old
enough to do it themselves that's it's OK. Imagine how much better a
long car ride would be if your kids felt free to masturbate when they got
bored?
Placing masturbation on the sexual timeline, I started masturbating when
I was eleven and most girls I know also started around that age although
some waited until as late as thirteen or fourteen, although sixteen is
about the oldest I know of.
It's odd that our society accepts that men masturbate and while they are
supposedly discouraged from doing it (hence all the "hairy palm"
warnings), it seems to be commonly accepted that boys jerk off. However,
the same type of "acceptance" doesn't seem to apply to girls yet so far
as I can tell, girls masturbate just as much as boys - if not more in
some cases.
Whatever the case, I think because of all of this that the true extent of
female masturbation is not understood by most boys and I think even most
fathers would be shocked to know how often their daughters were doing
themselves (and probably a few moms as well). It seems such a shame that
they're taught that they have to hide something that is so natural and
commonplace.
By the end of her preteen years, the typical girl is masturbating
regularly and is now starting to consider actually having sex with boys.
Her body is magically transforming and she is well aware that boys (and
men) are looking at her a lot differently than they were not long ago.
Unfortunately, she's been brainwashed to think that she shouldn't show
them her private parts of her body but yet she knows that with some
simple flirting she can get a reaction from them. She's constantly
worried that her body doesn't measure up to her friends and is confused
by the conflicting standards set for her by parents, friends, and
society.
Becoming a teenager is quite a difficult time for a girl and the adults
in her life don't help a bit by trying to suppress her natural feelings
and needs.
As a girl gets into her preteen years and approaches her early teens, the
sleepovers with her friends start getting more interesting. Mostly it's
just a lot of teasing and "Truth or Dare" games with little, if any real
actions. Being in a group helps to lower inhibitions. After all, if
everyone is doing it then it's not like it's something personal. The
"sleepover" tradition is usually when most girls have their first kiss
and I don't mean with a boy. Indeed, most girls I know had their first
kiss with another girl, not a boy! For me, it wasn't anything romantic or
sexual, just curiosity that was pushed into action by a dare. For most
girls it's a lot safer to learn to kiss with their friends than with a
boy - both emotionally as well physically. I don't think any of us felt
anything really sexual when we kissed, it was more like holding hands in
that we did it just to experiment and have fun.
As girls move further into their teens years, the kissing and teasing
between them starts to get more serious. I was thirteen the first time I
masturbated with another girl. Like my first kiss, it was at a sleepover
at a friend's house and we were up late and getting sort of crazy. We'd
been through the kissing rounds already and now the talk was about boys
and how they made us feel. One thing led to another and soon we were
touching ourselves in the dimly lit room, barely able to see each other.
There was nothing overtly sexual between us and nobody ever made a
serious attempt to touch anyone else. Again, there was safety in numbers
and since everyone was doing it then it was OK.
Fourteen seems to be the age the "early" girls start having sex. There
may be some fondling and heavy petting earlier, but I don't know of many
girls who had voluntarily sex before they turned fourteen. For instance,
I was fourteen when I lost my virginity to my boyfriend. It was at that
age when my mom first had sex. It was also the age my best friend lost
her virginity as well as when my cousins Kristi and Tammy had sex for the
first time. That said, most of my friends waited longer with some even
waited until they were seventeen or eighteen before "doing it". Overall,
I would say the most likely age for girls to lose their virginity is
around sixteen with more losing it before then than after.
Just a note - most of my friends, including me, first had sex with a boy
older than them. For example, Steve was the boy who I had sex with first
and he was sixteen at the time which made him two years older than me.
In summary, for most girls I would say a quick timeline would be innocent
curiosity until masturbation starts sometime after eleven. Then it's
kissing girls, leading to group masturbation with girls between thirteen
and fourteen. Then they start kissing boys and some heavy petting
followed by sex with a boy between fourteen and sixteen.
Of course, these ages can vary significantly based on family backgrounds,
religious convictions, local culture, and a host of other factors. If
anything, I would say these are the "low end" of the time-line spectrum,
with many girls advancing through these steps at later ages - some
significantly later. Personally, I feel it's better to be later than
sooner. I'd rather a girl be sure she is ready than jump in and do
something that she regrets later.
Chapter 7 - Infant Sex (under 8)
================================
This was the easiest chapter to write. Any child under the age of eight
should NOT be directly involved in sex in ANY way! What SHOULD be done at
this age is help them to learn about nudity and modesty. It doesn't mean
they should be taught to be ashamed of being seen nude, but they need to
understand when it?s appropriate - and when it?s not. It's a hard thing
for a child that age to understand fully but at least they?re getting a
head start on most other kids.
As for whether to allow an infant to observe sex, that to me is a family
situation and IF it?s to be allowed then it should be strictly limited to
the family and not for other people or pornography. I do NOT mean that
parents should put on a show for their kids, ?demonstrate? sex, or
anything along these lines. There?s a huge difference between simply
seeing what?s going on around you and being drawn into it. If dad wants
to masturbate when watching a hot girl is on TV, what?s wrong with it so
long as he doesn?t ask his kids to ?help? him? If mom wants to blow
daddy in the car on vacation, so what so long as her six year-old
daughter doesn?t do the same with her brother? Sex should be portrayed
as something natural while at the same time this provides an excellent
opportunity to teach modesty and adapting to social and cultural norms.
It?s a very fine line though so my advice would be NOT to let your kids
watch if you don?t think you can control yourself properly and set a good
example in doing so.
All children should be taught enough as early as possible such they
understand how to identify and protect themselves from molesters. This
should be done through dolls and use of non-sexual vocabulary. Only a
child molester would say that they need to use the real thing as a
?teaching aid?.
Finally, as I said in the summary, I realize that many people get
sexually excited by young children so I feel I need to address those
folks. My advice is to find a means to get yourself off without your
kids knowing it. That means take advantage of events like bath time when
it's natural to "fondle" them. Letting your daughter sit on your lap
without panties on while your pants are off could get you quite excited
without her being aware of it. If you feel the uncontrollable urge to
cum on her, do so on her butt or somewhere where she won?t notice it.
Even better, do it while she's sleeping so she isn?t aware at all. I'm
not condoning such actions, such recognizing that such needs and urges
exist and offering my suggestions on how to best deal with them.
Chapter 8 - Child Sex (Ages 8-9)
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Kids in this breakout age are usually old enough to discuss sex in basic
terms but by no means ready to engage in it. Thus sex (again, remember
my definition) for boys and girls should not be allowed at this age with
anyone. The basics of sex should begin to be discussed, but that doesn't
mean they need a "demonstration".
A girl?s sexuality is a very personal and emotional issue which takes
time to develop. This is why I say she?s not ready at this age for sex,
not to mention the physical limitations of her immature pussy. No matter
what the circumstances, most girls this age could be physically hurt
having sex.
However, all this doesn't mean a girl shouldn?t begin to understand the
male anatomy, particularly the penis. Allowing a girl at this age to
fondle a man's cock shouldn't be something viewed as perverted or
obscene. If a daughter can rub her dad's back then why not his dick?
The point to keep in mind is that just because the father will
undoubtedly become sexually aroused doesn't mean SHE will. If it helps
his daughter to gain confidence and promotes her self-image as a result
of the accolades she receives as a result, then why not let her do it?
I think the earlier a girl learns that a man's penis is fun to play with
and how to please him when she does so then the more likely she will be
open to oral sex and ENJOY it when she?s older rather than simply
tolerating it because her boyfriend or husband enjoys it. Also, I
believe a daughter has responsibilities to submit to her father just as a
wife does to her husband In both cases the earlier she learns that the
penis is a major source of pleasure for a man then the easier it will for
her to fulfill her obligations.
One thing to keep in mind though... If the guy can't control his urges
for sex under these circumstances then THAT is another issue and would
serve as a case against allowing her to touch him again, at least until
she?s older and he can respond without raising problems.
For boys, while sex is off-limits their dicks can still respond and they
should be taught why and how it can give them pleasure. Hand-jobs with a
young boy is fine so long as he is old enough to get an erection and
orgasm, even though he may not yet ejaculate. It really doesn't matter
who does it, the act is the same so whether it's a girl his age or an
older woman it's all basically the same.
Childhood is a period in a young child's life when kids learn that adults
do certain things that kids can't - no different than they can drive cars
and other "adult" activities. Masturbation and sex need not be hidden
but at the same time, a child in this age group usually isn't ready to
masturbate in the full sense of the word. Thus all that needs to be
taught is that it?s OK for mom and dad and that someday they will want to
do it too.
I mention observing sex but at the same time, limiting it to family only.
Children should be aware that their parents love each other and that sex
is just one means by which they demonstrate that love. Also, sex is FUN
and shouldn?t be hidden or made to be embarrassed about. Much better to
learn all this from their parents and family than from a hidden porn
stash or their friends.
Chapter 9 - Preteen Sex (Ages 10-12)
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First, while I am not against preteen sex in general, at the same time I
would also say that most girls in this age group are simply not mature
enough to make such a life-changing decision and thus careful
consideration should be taken before fucking her. It's an age when girls
are already struggling to deal with the onset of puberty and are
anxiously trying desperately to "grow up". All this makes them easy to
influence, even when it's not in their best interest. For an adult to
take advantage of a preteen's natural instincts and curiosity for their
own pleasure is simply wrong.
Given a preference, I could prefer to see sex between siblings or cousins
of similar ages rather than with an adult as a younger boy has a much
smaller dick and so sex would not be as invasive as with an older
partner. Again, given the potential negative results any such activity
should be closely supervised by their parents at all times.
Given many girls start masturbating as preteens, it's not like a parent
can just hope to ignore the issue of sex at this age either. Thus
parents should actively encourage masturbation, encouraging their kids to
freely do it when they feel the need without having to run to their rooms
and hide. Kids should learn that their budding sexuality is a gift, not
a curse or something shameful. Of course, the best way to teach this is
to set an example by doing the same yourself!
The preteen years are also the time for parents to give the detailed
version of the "birds and bees" talk. Some parents find that allowing
their kids to watch them having sex is easier than trying to explain it
so if they haven?t been allowing their kids to watch before now then they
should start thinking about opening the bedroom door. The advantage I
see in letting them watch is that if they want to try anything themselves
then they can do so immediately and under the watchful eye of their
parents.
I also believe that as kids approach their teen years that mutual
masturbation should also be encouraged. There's no reason why boys and
girls shouldn't masturbate together and learn about each other's
sexuality although it should be supervised to ensure they don't get too
carried away before they?re ready.
The preteen years are a great age for girls to learn how to give oral
sex. It allows her to express her burgeoning sexuality in a non-sexual,
non-threatening manner. It also provides a man to have the opportunity
to satisfy his "needs" with girl this age without engaging in actual sex.
Basically I see it as a great compromise where a girl can express her
sexuality while still maintaining boundaries until she?s ready for more.
Similarly, at this age boys are becoming more curious about sex so by
allowing them to lick a girl?s pussy and receive oral sex this can allow
them to satisfy their urges while also keeping the proper boundaries
about sex in place until they?re ready to move on.
As a last word, I HAVE witnessed girls as young as eleven and twelve
having sex with adults - including my own father and husband. However,
those were under VERY rigidly controlled circumstances and both parents
were there at all times. As a general rule, I wouldn?t condone such sex
under any other conditions.
Chapter 10 - Teen Sex (Ages 13-17)
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First, this is NOT intended to start a debate regarding premarital sex or
the morality of teenage sex. It?s a simple fact that sex between
consenting teens has been and always will be with us and nothing we say
or do is going to change that. Personally, I believe if we taught our
kids proper methods of birth control, how to avoid the risk of STDs, and
perhaps even a bit about HOW to do it, that we?d have a lot less problems
with sexually transmitted disease and teen pregnancies. Some of this
should be taught in school, some in church, and some at home. It doesn't
matter to me WHERE kids learn it so long as it's not at the playground or
the backseat of a car!
Teenage sex is probably the most pure and unadulterated form of sex.
Teens may think they?re in love but it's really all just raging hormones
and lust. I think if we were cavemen that this would be the age when
procreation would be at its peak as our bodies are youthful and strong.
How do you tell two teenagers NOT to have sex when everything in them is
driving them to do it? Why are we trying to thwart the natural laws of
nature? Why don't we instead HELP them by making it easier to have SAFE
sex?
Thus I see nothing wrong with two underage kids having sex - of course
assuming it's consensual. In fact, I think parents should actively
encourage their kids to be open about sex and provide them with a safe
environment where they can practice safe sex without the fear of "being
caught". It's not like they need to "perform" for their parents or
anything ridiculous like that. Rather mom and dad should respect their
kid's privacy by allowing the bedroom door to be closed and then not say
anything afterwards about it which would embarrass either of them.
My parents did just this with me when I was dating although I don't
think most of the boys I brought home realized it. Mom and dad would
stay downstairs in the family room and so far as the boy was concerned,
were totally oblivious to what we were doing in my bedroom. It was
certainly a lot better than trying to get laid in the backseat of a car
plus I felt a whole lot more secure having sex at home which allowed me
to enjoy myself knowing my super-protective father wasn?t far away should
anything get out of hand.
When it comes to sex between adults and underage teens, that's a lot more
complicated. First of all, it's illegal in every state although the age
of consent varies considerably (which is insane when you think about it).
While I?ve learned to enjoy it, sex with younger boys isn't my biggest
fantasy but because it IS illegal that I avoid having sex with underage
kids except in very controlled and secure circumstances. Having such
things made public would not only jeopardize my family, as a teacher it
would end my career so it's just not worth the risk for me. There have
been many opportunities for me to be with a younger boy over the years as
a babysitter and teacher but I have ALWAYS turned them down.
In summary, as a general rule I would advise that sex between adults and
underage teens be avoided. Then again, although this is NOT something I
recommend or promote, if it IS done then the girl should be at least
fourteen and the boy sixteen at a minimum if you really want to play it
safe.
Of course there?s on major exception to all this - incest...
Chapter 11 - Incestual Sex
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This is a touchy subject as people have been using incest to rationalize
child molestation for centuries - probably one of the major reasons why
incest is illegal in every state. Assuming (and I realize this is a HUGE
assumption), that the family is practicing PROPER incest and not just
taking advantage of their children for the parent?s self-gratification, I
believe underage sex is appropriate so long as it is done with the proper
family support, respect and love.
I personally feel that if a father wants to use sex as a means to form an
intimate relationship with his daughter, demonstrating his fatherly love
for her and showing his respect for her as a woman, then what could
possibly be wrong with doing so? On the other hand, if sex between a
father and daughter is nothing more than a forty year-old man wanting to
fuck a fourteen year-old girl and he?s using his daughter only to fulfill
his perverted lust, then that?s clearly wrong. Of course it's impossible
to keep lust totally out of the equation, nor should it be, but it
shouldn't be the driving factor.
Even with incest I believe it?s best if a girl is at least twelve before
she has sex with her father and thirteen before she has sex with the
other adult men in her family such as her uncle or grandfather. If I
REALLY had my druthers, she might start having sex at fourteen with
someone more her age like a brother or cousin and wait a couple more
years before even considering doing any of the adults in her family
(although I would make an exception in allowing her dad to have her
virginity). Basically, within limits the older a girl is before she
starts having sex, the better from every emotional and physical
perspective. Then again, if a girl is truly ready (as I feel I was when
I was fourteen), then why hold her back because of some arbitrary age
limit?
So what about younger brothers and sisters having sex? As teens, I would
apply basically the same rules as for teenagers in general. Just think
about how it would be if they were just a boy and girl and school and
apply the same rules. Being brother and sister doesn't really make any
difference so far was whether they SHOULD do it or not. Whether or not
they WANT to should be entirely up to them and not as a result of any
pressure applied by the family. Face it, most brother and sisters don't
even get along well enough to want to sit next to each other in the car,
let alone have sex.
When it comes to younger siblings, it's about the same as for when
discussing either one of them in isolation. If a boy is old enough to
get an erection and can feel sexual pleasure from a hand-job or blowjob,
then why not let his sister do it? Brothers, like fathers, should leave
their sister's sexual areas alone until she is ready to have real sex
with them. Again though, why apply arbitrary age limits to a brother and
sister? When they?re ready, they?re ready no matter what age they may
be.
There is a fine line between incest and child abuse so when there is ANY
question at all, I believe the more conservative response is always best.
Here is my "Top Ten" list of basic rules that I believe EVERYONE should
follow:
1. When considering incest, you MUST be 100% sure about it. If there's
ANY doubt whatsoever, DON'T DO IT!
2. If your daughter (or ANY girl for that matter) says "no", that means
"NO". It doesn't matter if "she asked for it" or you think "she
really wants it" DON'T DO IT!
3. If you have to rationalize what you want to do - DON'T DO IT!
4. If the idea of sex with your daughter doesn't feel right ? IT ISN'T.
5. If you can't tell your wife about your feelings then don't tell your
daughter and certainly don't act them out.
6. Don?t have sex with your daughter behind your wife?s back. If your
wife doesn?t approve ? DON'T DO IT!
7. If you think your daughter might be too young for sex ? SHE IS.
8. If you're not sure your daughter?s ready for sex ? SHE ISN?T.
9. Just because your daughter flirts with you, in all likelihood it does
NOT mean that she wants to have sex with you. In fact, odds are she'd
be appalled if she knew you thought that she did. Don't confuse
innocent trust with lust.
10. Porn movies, erotic stories and "adult" Internet sites DO NOT reflect
reality. Don't expect the same reaction from your daughter as from
the so-called "daughters" on the Internet. They are whores having sex
with paid actors.
SUMMARY
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If there?s one thing I could say to sum up everything in this article, as
an adult deep down you KNOW what?s right and wrong. You KNOW when a boy
or girl is ready for the next step in their sexual development. Just do
the right thing for THEM and all these supposedly difficult decisions
become pretty simple.
THE END