The Thoroughly Disreputable Incest Digest
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Issue 23

Contents
   Garth (m/f, m/m)
   Trip (M/f, m/f)
   Deb (f/F)            [mild]
   Matt (F/m, M/f)      [hearsay, negative]
   Keith (F/m)          [mild, negative]
   A Word from Rank
   Where to Find this Digest
   Question of the Week
   Reviewing Celeste ;-)

Disclaimer: If you don't like any of this, skip it.

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From: Garth

One of my first sexual experiences was with my cousins, Vanessa
and Kevin. I was about 16 at the time.  Vanessa was 15 and Kevin
about 13.  They had come down to us for the holiday with the rest
of the family, and the day before they left Vanessa and I decided
that we were going to get drunk together.

So I went into town and got some liquors (I did not like beer
very much). We decided that we had to let Kevin on it because he
was sleeping in my room.  Besides, Vanessa was sleeping with my
sister, and she was a real priss back then.

After the adults had all one to sleep (my father and my uncle
were both pissed as coots, with my mother and aunt not far
behind) Vanessa came over to our room.  We were quite confident
that we were not going to be caught, and that we could make quite
a bit of noise as well.

She got things going by teaching us a drinking game.  It was one
of those ones where if you made a mistake, you had to down-down,
and since we both did not know the game, she remained quite a bit
more sober that we did.

We soon got tired of the game, and then one of us suggested that
we play strip poker.  It was probably Vanessa because I did not
know how to play cards back then.  We could not find a pack of
cards, so we settled to playing poker dice with the set that my
grandmother had given me for Christmas.

Now, as with the drinking game, Vanessa had an unfair advantage
on us.  See, Kevin and I were probably both wearing about eight
or nine items of clothing each (including our watches).  Compare
this with the countless articles of clothing and accessories that
teenage girls wear at that age!  I'm talking necklaces, bangles,
earings, stockings, a hair band, rings, etc...  So you can
probably guess that one of us males got naked before she.

As it were, Kevin was first.  After getting him to expose his
raging not yet fully post-pubescent erection to us for a few
seconds, we allowed him to cover himself with a pillow.  But
Kevin kept losing, so we had to make up penalties for him.  I
remember that one of them was to fuck one of my centrefold
pinups.  He was very athletic and had one of those bronzed bodies
without any tan lines.

Eventually I was also down to nothing, and at that point Kevin
and I decided that we had had enough because Vanessa still had
all of her clothing on and would not show us anything.  So then
she suggested that we play Man Or Mouse.  (In retrospect, she
probably made this game up.)

We switched the lights out, and I lay down naked on one of the
beds.  She kneeled on the floor at the side of the bed and put
her hand on my legs. She would say "Man or mouse?"  Each time I
would answer "Man", and she would advance a few inches up my
body.  Eventually she was only one move away from my erection,
and I was now so turned on that my cock was rock hard (to borrow
a cliche - but it was).  I think that she could have breathed on
it and I would have come.

She asked the question and I answered "Man", and to my
dissapointment she passed straight over my groin area and onto my
stomache.  She was obviously shy, despite initiating the game, so
I made a bold move.  I found her hand in the darkness and put it
onto my cock, although she took it away almost immediately.

Then Kevin and I bacame tired of her teasing, and we both jumped
on her and started to strip her and feel her all over, despite
her half-hearted protests.  We got her top and bra off, but she
kept her legs clamped shut. It was trully one of those cases when
the girl said no, but meant yes, and we both kew it, because she
was not fighting hard enough, and her protests were not loud
enough to wake anyone up, which she easilly could have done.

The more we felt and sucked and touched and rubbed her the more
turned on she became.  I even mamaged to get my hand over her
pussy for a while, although not for long.  It was the first time
that I had sucked a girls breasts.  Before that I had only been
able to feel them, and I remember marvelling that the sensation
of sucking them was similar to feeling them. It was that strange,
unimaginable sensation - soft yet firm.

There came a point where she was able to fight us off and she
made it out the door and back to my sister's room.  I guess she
was not ready for it yet.  That or we were not pressing all the
right buttons.  Perhaps if her brother was not there, she would
have gone further with me.  Perhaps it was because she and her
brothers are adopted that she even went that far.  All I know was
that after she left, Kevin and I jerked each other off.  That night
was the first time that I was able to come twice in a row without
losing my erection.

I am now 24, and my cousin now lives in the same city as I.  She
is engaged, and even once in front of her fiance she laughingly
hinted at that episode. Whenever we met after that incident I
tried to open the subject again - perhaps to talk about it or
even finish it off, but we never connected on that level again.
One of those cases where we were young enough (and lucky enough)
for our seperate interests not to have developed and diverged
yet.

I was also not the only one to commit the "I" deed with her.
After I told my little brother about it years later (when he
stopped being such a pest), he told me that when he was about 10
or 11 Vanessa would let him tickle her back, and that sometimes
she would allow him to feel her tits and her pussy. We always had
our suspicions about them, but I always thought that he was too
young!  Imagine my surprise.

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From: Trip

...when I was 17, I came out of the shower and let my towel fall
exposing my erect penis to my 9 year old sister... I went in to my
room and started masturbating on the bed and she followed me in
and watched...she asked what I was doing and I told her I was
washing it in a special way...she wanted to be naked too and
showed me her crack...I licked her hairless puss and she gyrated
it was so good...I touched my penis head to her clit, but it
didn't fit in her hole..I made her suck it for a bit too...after
that, I spied on her changing and fooling around with her female
friends in her room and shower...I enjoyed ejaculating in her and
her hot friends panties..

my cousin came on to me when we were 13, she wanted me to touch
her tits, so I did right in front of her dad who was sleeping on
the couch next to us...that was really all that happened until we
were 18 and we wrestled around, we both knew we wanted to fuck,
but her boyfriend came in on us. so I got her panties instead.
when she was 21 I saw her completely nude as I was making out
with her friend, she went to the bathroom at 5 a.m. nude...what a
hot body she has, she is tan all over, even her ass.

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From: Deb

i have this feeling about my mom and she also has the same
feeling back i don't know where to go from here

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[SPOILER: mildly negative, skip to end if you like]

From: Matt

I agree, there is a lot more incest going on then we know. Here
are two events that I learned about, both in 1979.

JACKIE
My old girlfriend Jackie had this experience. She only talked
about it once so some of the details are missing.

She was 10 ft up a ladder leaning on a 6 ft fence trimming a
tree. She fell and broke both wrists and wrenched a kneecap. She
was a single mother with a son about ten years old at the time.
After an over-night stay in the hospital, she came home. She
could hop around on one leg and hold small objects in her fingers
but that was about all. The county home health nurse showed up
some but her son took care of her. I came around when I wasn't
traveling.

After a while, she wanted to take a bath so she had her son tape
plastic bags over both hands and over the leg cast. She was able
to soak in the tub like this. Drying herself was harder, so she
had her son dry her with a towel, reaching under the
short-sleeved robe. Apparently this happened a couple of times
without incident.

She wanted to wash her hair so she filled the tub with bubble
bath. Now hidden, her son come in to shampoo her hair. Something
in the shampoo broke down the bubble bath, leaving her exposed
naked.  She decided to have her son finish washing her hair. He
was embarrassed but did it.

She went back to her old routine of soaking but later her son
offered to wash her hair again. I don't think she bothered with
bubble bath this time. After washing her hair, she had him wash
her back with a wash cloth. She said it felt so good, that she
had him wash all of her. In the process he rubbed her pussy as
well as breasts. She said he was not aware of what he was doing.

When I visited her, her son had a very different attitude toward
me. Confused, I asked her what had happened. She broke down in
shame and embarrassment and told me. I suspect he did more then
just feel her. A few weeks later she stopped dating me and I
eventually moved to a different state.

ALYNNE
Alynne was another girl I dated, only briefly. She worked with her
older sister at a business I called on. We dated a little, dinner
and a movie, no sex.

One evening at another couples house, we all drank too much and
spent the night there. With a little coaxing we made love. It was
quick and not very good. In the morning, she was a different
person, crying every time I talked to her. I figured I was in for
a charge of date-rape as its called now.

Surprisingly, she continued to go out with me but acted
strangely. I finally asked her sister if she was OK. Her sister
walked outside with me and said "I know what happened. Sex has
been forced on Alynne by every man she knew growing up. I know
you didn't force her but she doesn't understand the difference.
I've adjusted but she can't handle it. If you keep dating her,
understand where she's coming from." We stopped dating. I assumed
it had happened to her sister as well.

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[SPOILER: mildly negative, skip to the end if you like]

From: Keith

Here's a story you may or may not be interested in since it
contains no actual incest but merely tries to define why I'm so
obsessed with it.

Up to the time I was twenty I never had a girlfriend so I quite
frequently bought pornography for the obvious reasons. I found
that I was buying "Penthouse" more for the stories than for the
"models" inside. One day I stumbled across a story about two
sisters who spend the night in the same bed and become lovers.

This was fascinating and unreal, but of course at my age I wanted
to  believe all those letters were for real. I switched to
reading those little digests with a few incest stories until I
found a place that sold "Family Letters" (a gas station?!) and I
was hooked. I now have about four tons of these things as well as
other mags and now I'm seeking it out on the net.

One of my girlfriends found out about my obsession and she was
cool with it at first and she played along and called me "daddy"
during sex but that became old for her and that was probably one
of the reasons that we broke up along with fact that I told her
that I shouldn't have children. I've gotten my current girlfriend
to do the same act and she enjoys it and probably harbours a
fantasy or two about her dad.

This maybe goes back to my childhood when I was about 11 or so my
mother came into my room in her robe and pinned me to the bed and
began kissing me on the mouth. I struggled because she was on top
of me and at the time was rather heavy. As soon as I worked
myself free she grabbed me back down and slapped me in the face.
My Mom had NEVER done that before. She started apologizing and
crying and saying that it wouldn't happen again. I just sat there
cofused until she left.

I'd still like to know for sure but in my mind that's when it
began. That and the idea that my family were always fighting when
it seemed that the families who were having sex seemed to get
along well together. I know that this is distorted and a lot of
people have negative experiences but I'd like to believe some
enjoy it. I often wonder what would have happened if I had gone
farther with my mother that day. I have no bad feelings toward
her she is still a great mother, but we've never mentioned what
happened that day.

Well there it is, it may be too long for your digest but I
enjoyed telling you anyway.

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A WORD FROM RANK
I want to hear from you if you have had sexual contact with a
family member, and what impact that had on your lives.  The
story doesn't have to be very long, or detailed, or even
sexy.  Just let me know:

        ...with whom (brother, mother, cousin, uncle)
        ...at what age
        ...who initiated the activity, and
        ...how you feel about it now
 
Your confidentiality will not be compromised.  Your story will
only be used to continue these postings.  If you would like
to share your story, please send mail to RankAmateur@writeme.com.


WHERE TO FIND THIS DIGEST
New issues are posted to alt.sex.stories.moderated and related
newsgroups on an irregular schedule.

Past issues are available on the web at the alt.sex.stories.moderated
<a href="http://www.netusa.net/~eli/erotica/assm/">archive site</a>.


WHERE TO FIND RANK
I'm officially quitting AOL.  [and there was much rejoicing]
The <rankamatr@aol.com> address WILL NOT WORK effective Real
Soon Now.  Send all correspondence to my lifetime email address,
<rankamateur@writeme.com>.


QUESTION OF THE WEEK:
Did two members of the same family ever compete for your
interest?  Was it successful?  Maybe you and a relative of
your own competed for someone else.


REVIEWING CELESTE
Well, it eventually did happen: Celeste reviewed the digest!
Sadly, she found little of note in Issue 22, since the Neville
story was not up to her standards of grammar, plot, or character.
(2's all around.)  I will defend the eroticism of the central
moment in Issue 22 where Neville's mother seduces him.  Anyway,
Celeste, thanks for finally taking notice; I appreciate your
awareness that I take a few more minutes with my words than some
of my contributors; and I invite you to review the stories of
Jeannie and her brother (Issues 14, 15, and 18).  Personally I
think she's a halfway decent erotic writer, and the best I've had
the privilege to publish.  I am also very certain that she told
the truth; and I would rather publish true stories than well-
written ones.

As I've said before, I do minimal editing, correcting only the
worst errors of spelling and grammar.  I'm not an editor, and
compilation is quite enough work as it is, thank you! Besides,
neologisms such as "cliterous" lightly amuse me. Much of the
stories sent to me are hastily written personal accounts by
authors who don't normally do a lot of writing, erotic or
otherwise.  Possibly for reasons of haste (either for privacy, or
due to personal discomfort) many submissions are written in a
telegraphic stream-of-consciousness style. Others resemble police
or psychological interviews. I feel I do a service for those with
an incest fetish, and I quite happily leave the task of elevating
the level of erotic fiction on the 'net to Celeste and the
stellar list of authors she regularly reviews.

I wish to emphasize: what I publish are REAL SUBMISSIONS, though
of course I have no way of verifying that they are all real
experiences.  I suspect, as did Nancy Friday, that some are
highly embellished versions of more subtle events. But I reject
very few submissions outright.

Finally, I don't gripe about AOL censoring my digest, just my AOL
profile.  It's not some kind of preachy rant -- just one more
annoyance that's making me quit this place, flat rates be damned.

Love, Rank

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"You can't do this to me ... I'm a tourist ... I'm an American ... I'm a
 Republican!"
 -- Daulton Lee (Sean Penn), Falcon & the Snowman

