Message-ID: <53538asstr$1145088602@assm.asstr.org> X-Original-To: story-submit@asstr.org Delivered-To: story-submit@asstr.org X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.133) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 1 Apr 2006 04:19:21 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Rex Antioch" X-Originating-Server: ws5-3.us4.outblaze.com X-Original-Message-ID: <20060401041921.8FCCF23D27@ws5-3.us4.outblaze.com> X-ASSTR-Original-Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 12:19:21 +0800 Subject: {ASSM} [deirdre Fest] "Signs" (MF, inc] Lines: 6204 Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 04:10:02 -0400 Path: assm.asstr.org!not-for-mail Approved: Newsgroups: alt.sex.stories.moderated,alt.sex.stories Followup-To: alt.sex.stories.d X-Archived-At: X-Moderator-Contact: ASSTR ASSM moderation X-Story-Submission: X-Moderator-ID: dennyw, newsman <1st attachment, "Signs.doc" begin> MUSE SIGNS (MF. inc.) (The following tribute to Deirdre is a sequel to and was inspired by her enigmatic little short story 'Brother', and will make a lot more sense if you read 'Brother' first!) STACY [] No. [] They can't think we killed her? [] No. She would never have killed herself. [] Yes, of course. [] No. [] No. [] Yes. [] Yes. [] Yes. [] It's pretty much as I remember it. I don't know what happened when Jeff was in Dee's bedroom, of course. Only what he told me afterwards. [] Yes. [] Yes. A bit. I know she wasn't big on sex, but never to have done it at all... That's ... hard to understand. [] No. I'm still very *close* to Jeff and he'd have told me if they had. After that night we decided she just had a thing about incest and couldn't, so Jeff never pushed it. He'd have done it had she wanted him to and he says it was like she enjoyed scaring herself with it so they'd fiddle about with some heavy foreplay - I guess that's what Dee means by "does little things for me" in that last paragraph - but he always knew she didn't want him to go all the way and she seemed happier if he didn't, ah, take things in that direction. Jeff found it a little unnerving - said she was like a kid on the high board for the first time who keeps creeping up to the edge but whose nerve keeps failing, and he often wished they would do it and have done with it, but it never happened. [] Never. Not after that night. She was my sister but we were not that close. Five years is a lot when you're kids, and anyway Jeff was always between us. And not just in age. He was a bit like a bone between two dogs. When I was just a little kid he was my hero - you know, big, brave and strong, all that stuff. Hell, he was fun. He did fun things the way boys did, and if I wanted to do those fun things I had to get him to agree to take me with him so Mom would let me go. So I had to be nice to him to make him want to take me along. Dee was always coming the big sister, tho'. She thought *she* should be looking after me, not Jeff. Didn't like it that I'd rather be out playing with the boys than playing at dolls with her. Maybe she was a bit jealous. She'd had no option but to grow up doing what girls are supposed to, I think. And she wanted Jeff, too, tho' not in a sex way, I'd say. She wanted him to be a *real* brother for her, protect her from creepy-crawlies, be a shoulder to cry on, fetch and carry for her. I remember when she was thirteen or so she had a thing about knights and dragons and maidens in distress. All the books and videos. Jeff was only ten or eleven, but he was already almost as tall as her and a lot stronger and I think she wanted him to be her St. George. [] No. My brother and I screwed, yeah, but he was still a real brother to me. But those knights in the stories, protecting a maiden's honour? All romance and no sex. That kind'a crap. That was what Dee wanted, I guess. [] I don't think she knew. I honestly don't think she knew, until that night. Looking back at it now, tho', I guess we must have been giving all the signs. Kids and we were still just kids when we started, don't forget, I was thirteen and Jeff fifteen aren't very good at hiding signs of things when we don't realise there are signs to be seen. I just knew Jeff made me feel like a woman hell, when he screwed me it blew my mind and I was so grateful to him for it I'd 'a done anything for him and wanted him to know it. I just didn't realise it could be so obvious. Now I can see it all around me with other people's kids and often it's the parents that are blindest. But I think that's often because they don't want to see. It's hard to credit, now, that Dee took so long to catch on. [] Oh I'm sure Mom did know 'bout Jeff and me, but she never said anything apart from telling me early on what I needed to know to avoid getting pregnant but in a general kind of way and that's the kind of thing every Mom tells her daughter sooner or later, isn't it? Obviously she didn't know until after it had begun when of course it was too late, so what was she to do? Coming down hard on us then wouldn't have made me a virgin again, and would just have screwed up the family, and anyway she doted on Jeff. He couldn't do anything wrong in her eyes, even to screwing his little sister I guess, and maybe she saw it wasn't doing me any harm.... I dunno. [] Oh, he'd gone. Great bust up years before. When I was only five. I mean, we exchanged Christmas cards and things, and met him in an airport lounge occasionally, but he wasn't family. He'd played around on Mom, that was why the divorce, and she never forgave him. [] It just kinda' happened. Like I said, I wanted Jeff to take me places with him. Most girls learn sooner or later that the way to a guy's heart is through his prick, and my brother was the first guy I needed to work that trick on. Once he was old enough to start wondering about girls, I was a girl he could easily get alone to find out on. And I didn't mind. It was part of the fun. It felt nice when he found out about me, and when I found out what I could do for his prick it made me feel ten feet tall little ol' me able to make it grow so powerful and as stiff as a bone. It was even scary, but in a nice tummy-tickling kind'a way and when I could make it squirt stuff he told me made babies, it made me feel that I, me, mattered. I wasn't just the kid sister he had to tote about any more. He was my big brother, but I more than earned my place with him As he found out more and more about sex he'd pass it on to me and we'd do it, or at least try to do it, until one day he was there inside me, stroking himself up and down inside me and I felt that all my Christmases had come at once. [] Oh yeah. I knew about incest. It was usually fathers going to jail for screwing their daughters, but I knew it covered brothers and sisters as well. But brothers didn't seem to get caught as you never heard of one being sent to jail for it. [] Hell, I was over the moon. I remember thinking I was only just thirteen but I'd done *it* and I knew in my heart that my big sister who was eighteen hadn't. I just knew she hadn't. I knew she hadn't with Jeff 'cos he'd told me that they'd never done anything like sex, and I knew from the gossip at school that all the boys thought of her as just a prick-teaser. The couple of boys she'd actually gone out with said she hardly let them get their hands into her knickers - so Jeff said - and she never had a boy-friend for very long, I guess because they quickly found out that they'd get nowhere with her. But I'd done it with Jeff. When he was inside me, humping up and down on me, my big brother was mine. All mine. And even when he wasn't he was still mine, not Dee's, because he'd possessed me, gone all the way with me, not her, and I guess that was what she saw and why she didn't like it. 'Sibling rivalry' you'd probably call it, and she'd lost out. [] Well, once I'd done it with Jeff there were a couple of other guys I let do it, but only if Jeff said it was OK. He didn't want me becoming the school bike and kept me on a tight-rein, but I didn't mind. There was a gang of us, boys and a few girls, and we kept it to ourselves. Easier that way, and a lot more fun 'cos you know them all and trust them. "Cos if they blow the whistle on you, you can blow it on them. They knew about Jeff and me, of course. Hell, they even watched us doing it. But most of the other girls were sisters, too, and screwed with their brothers in the gang as well as the other guys. No-one thought anything wrong in it - brothers and sisters doing it because we all did. It was just sex-for-sex's-sake. But I liked it 'specially with Jeff. I don't know if he felt like it, but I always thought it was different and somehow special when we did it. It's hard to say, but I think he was a different guy when he was in me than with other girls, because I was his sister. It *felt* different to me. When we did it at home, just us two, it was usually because I came onto him. He was getting enough, from older and prettier girls than me who weren't his sister, not to always have it on his mind the way most guys do, but I couldn't get enough of him and he was usually willing to oblige. [] Yeah I remember it, when she came home from college and realised, at long last, that me and Jeff were screwing. She was always trying so hard to be grown-up. I guess it comes of being the oldest. Always having to look after us 'younger ones'. Having to set an example. She went on and on about her flat and the girls she shared with, the societies she'd joined, the coffee-bars she went to. It was all so clean and wholesome, and I was sure it was just for Mom's benefit, to let Mom know her little girl had grown up and could be trusted. So the first time I got her alone I asked her about guys, - you know, sister-to-sister secrets stuff - and thinking she might tell me all the *naughty* bits she hadn't told Mom, but she went all stiff and distant like I'd touched on something taboo, and she announced that she hadn't gone to college for *that* kind of thing, like it was all beneath her and I was still a kid for asking. But I wasn't a kid any more. I knew all about guys and their pricks, and what their pricks felt like in my cunt, my mouth, my ass. I knew that even as a fourteen-year-old girl I was the equal of any three seventeen-year-old football-playing hunks when it came to sex. I was sure that whatever my big sister had got up to with guys at college I had already been there, done that, and could talk with her about it woman to woman. So to be treated like a kid again by her really got up my ass! And for the first time I wondered about my big sister still being a virgin. From her reaction I was sure she was. I hadn't really thought about it before because, well, I'd assumed it was just Deirdre being Deirdre. I mean, I knew I was *supposed* to still be a virgin and even pretended to be one for Mom just as she pretended I still was, and I certainly knew I was not *supposed* to let my own brother screw me, let alone encourage him do it. Yeah, I even did think of myself as a bit of slut but it didn't bother me as I couldn't see any reason why it should. Until then I'd just sort of supposed that Deirdre had had all the same opportunities and temptations to be a slut but, being more *proper*, and maybe stronger-willed than me, and maybe trying harder to please Mom, had just said 'no' when I said 'hell, yes'. But that was when I wondered for the first time if there wasn't more to it than that. Hell, even Mom asked her about guys and had seemed surprised when Deirdre had said she hadn't had enough free time to meet any. I'm sure Mom wouldn't have been upset to learn that Deirdre had gotten herself screwed senseless for the whole of her first semester. When I went away Mom kind'a hinted to me that that's what she'd done, and maybe she was hoping it would help wean me off my brother. I mean, Dee was eighteen, petite and gorgeous. As long as she was sensible about it and 'sensible' was the one thing everyone agreed she was - and didn't let herself get knocked-up Mom wouldn't have cared less, I'm sure. Her little girl had grown up, and getting themselves screwed senseless when they first leave home is what normal grown-up girls do. So I thought about it a lot. Was it that she was scared of sex? Being the oldest she'd been brought up more strictly than me and Jeff, had more responsibility put on her. Was she inhibited and afraid of breaking what she still thought were the rules? Or did she prefer girls over boys? I was old enough to know a little about that, and had found out for myself that another girl's fingers and tongue could be a lot more skilful than any boy's, but a girl didn't have a prick and that, for me, had always been what I really wanted. Or was she still *saving* herself for her Prince the way the princesses in those books she'd loved years before did? I couldn't really get her at all. Then I saw from the way she looked at me that she'd cottoned-on to the fact Jeff and I were screwing. I certainly didn't tell her and Jeff told me he hadn't, and she didn't catch us at it so it must have been the way she says she just saw the *signs*. [] I guess so. I'd seen it at school, too. Brothers and sisters who were a little too *close*, and perhaps trying a little too hard not to show it. We'd even invited some into our little gang. I guess teachers are often aware of it, too, but decide it's none of their business. Too complicated. Too dangerous to get involved in. I suppose others saw it in Jeff and me but at the time I don't think it occurred to us to look for it in ourselves even when we saw it in others. At that age you don't, do you? [] Yeah. I guess. So when I saw the signs in Deirdre, the way she looked at him not knowing the tip of her tongue was just between her lips, or hung around him, or laughed a little too much when he said something funny. I thought she'd gotten Jeff to screw her as well, and when he said he hadn't I was surprised. That's when I realised she must have guessed we were doing it, and that she was jealous of me. And wanted to... I don't know. Share him, I suppose. Not let me have all of him. [] I guess so. Then again, no. It wasn't a matter of 'shares'. Jeff screwing Dee wouldn't have bothered me at all. He would always be my brother. She couldn't take him away from me like she could, say, a husband or even a boyfriend. I'd maybe have got a bit piqued had I suddenly felt in need of a screw and she'd already have snaffled him for one but, well, there's sharing and sharing, hey, and I'd shared Jeff before like that. Anyway she'd be away at college most of the time so I knew I'd have him pretty much to myself for a couple more years. [] I guess so, yes. But I was only fourteen so I don't suppose I really understood. I knew girl-girl sex, but didn't really understand the whole 'gay' thing. To me girl on girl was something you only did for an occasional change, or if there weren't enough guys to go around. I guess I was accusing her of settling for second-best because she was scared of *the real thing*. [] Was my sister a card-carrying lesbian? No. Not a card-carrying one, anyway. Even lesbians don't often have intact hymens, I'd a' thought. And no, I don't think she was a repressed one, either. What I saw in her eyes when she looked at Jeff was a girl longing for a prick to press her button and a good long, honest screw to blow her mind. I thought at first she was being stupid. If she wanted Jeff to screw her, all she had to do was ask. I mean, he was always a bit in awe of her, big sister and all that, and I was surprised when he said he hadn't noticed the signs like I had, but if she'd said something or even dropped a big enough hint he'd have given her his best, and loved it. When Jeff told me she hadn't I decided she must have some kind of hang-up about it about sex with your own brother and that's when I challenged her about it. [] Yeah. [] Oh, I can't really remember now. I'm not sure I really had anything particular in mind. It was just the way she looked at me, like I'd farted in church. [] I don't know. I can't remember, now. I can't remember word for word what was said but yeah, I know it was my having sex with Jeff that upset her much more than my just having sex, tho' I don't think she'd have approved of that either. [] Well, both I suppose. [] I guess so. [] I don't know. I can't say. That's your field really, isn't it? [] No. I've never thought about it. I mean, Deirdre was just Deirdre. I'd come home with mud all over me and frogs in my pockets. Dee treated mud the way she'd treat steaming hot shit, and loathed slimy things. [] Yeah, well, maybe. It might have been the slime and the sweat that put her off sex, but I know she hated it that I'd had sex with my brother. [] Maybe. [] It was pretty much as she describes it. I came right out with it, that I knew she knew Jeff and me were screwing, that it was fantastic, that it was stupid to have hang-ups about it and that she ought to do it herself. When she still wouldn't talk about it or even admit to me or herself that she wanted to I gave up in disgust and sikked Jeff onto her. I knew she wanted it, and thought maybe if he went to her she'd give in to him so she could tell herself she was doing it for his sake, if she needed to fool herself. But she didn't, so Jeff said. [] Yeah, you're right. I hadn't looked at it like that. But she was hot for him. I'm certain she was. I saw all the signs. And what about what she says happened later, with Jeff? What does she say? Yeah, it's here. "I lay there and dreamed about it". About Jeff fingering her at least, if not screwing her. I mean, it was her own brother's fingers in her fanny she was dreaming about. Why not his prick? [] No, well, I can't remember exactly who said what. I'm sure there was a bit more than she says, a little more talking, but she obviously wrote this a lot later so her memory's going to be a bit suspect, too. I mean it reads like a story, like fiction, not a letter or a diary entry or something personal. Does anyone know why she did write it? [] Oh, shit. But it was years ago. You don't think I..... [] Yes. Thank you. [] Oh, pretty sure. Don't forget I was only fourteen and she was eighteen, maybe even nineteen, so it was pretty hard for me to stand up to her. I mean, she knew so much more than me. But I remember being angry at the way she was looking down at me for doing something she wanted to do herself there, I've said it again but I know she did and I was a bit scared, too. I'd seen what happened to kids, brothers and sisters, caught screwing by the wrong people. You know, 'care and protection' and all that crap, and I wouldn't have put it beyond Deirdre to blow the whistle on us 'for our own sakes'. So I was probably a bit aggressive and hostile, too. And all this business about me being 'bigger' than her. Yeah, I was taller but that was because she was five-foot nothing in her stockings, and she could look as sexy as hell. I could have got her into films not just my kind of films easily. She was "elfin", I heard a guy say once, and he was right. She was the kind of perfect woman in miniature that could rule a kingdom with ease, like Elizabeth the First. Hell, she did it with that business of hers. She could dominate a room full of hard-bitten businessmen. I'd seen it. It's like she kind'a wants to paint herself as weak and helpless here, and I guess because I was so angry and scared I'd gained the upper hand, but if she had stuck to her guns and rammed it home that screwing with your own brother was sick, I think I'd have caved in pretty quickly. [] No. I've asked myself over and over with my brother's prick squelching and slurping in me, with his slimy semen sliding around inside me, his sweat on my breasts and the taste of my cunt in his kiss, if what we were doing was wrong and why it should be wrong if it was, and for any reason why we shouldn't be doing it But I've never found an answer that made sense to me. Oh, yeah, there's the recessive gene business, but you can reinforce genius genes as well, can't you? Anyway we've never done it to make a baby, and did all we could to make sure we didn't make one. So no. I've never been able to make screwing my brother 'sick' and still for the life of me don't see why it should be. But back when I was only fourteen there was no way I could have been so sure of that. It didn't *feel* sick when we did it, and it didn't *look* sick when I watched other brothers and sisters do it. In fact you probably wouldn't have known they were brother and sister if you hadn't been told. They were just a boy and a girl doing what boys and girls were meant to do. And love to do more than anything else in the world, if they're normal. But that didn't mean it *wasn't* sick. There was still a hell of a lot I didn't understand about the world and it worried me that my sister, who knew so much more about it than I did and who I knew wanted very much to feel Jeff's prick in her, was fighting it so hard. It was like she knew something I didn't I dunno. Looking back at it now, maybe I was forcing the issue for my own sake. Either my big sister would cave in and let Jeff screw her, which would mean it wasn't really sick but just a parents' conspiracy to keep their kids out of each other's pants after all, or she'd let me into the great grown-up secret as to why it really was sick and why she was refusing to do it herself and repelled by me doing it. Only I don't remember thinking like that at the time. [] I remember her sitting on the bed and me standing over her, yes. I don't remember holding her under the chin, but it would have been easy. Her head was level with my waist. And yeah, I remember I had the last word, and walking away feeling.... Yeah, feeling good. I think I did say "Well?", like she says. [] Yeah, I guess it is. [] Hell no. [] I guess because it mattered to me. [] Well, yes. I think it did. [] I don't know. I cared more than she did? I was more scared of losing? [] Oh, I don't know, now. I guess something like, "will you think about it?" [] Well certainly not the second, if I even understand it. But she couldn't come to a decision on the first without considering the second, could she? [] Hell no. I was only thirteen. I wouldn't have understood a word of it. [] I'm not sure I follow. [] Yeah. I see that. I guess it was harder for Dee than I thought. [] I don't know. I really, really don't know. [] I can't remember anything like that. Anyway, Mom hardly reacted severely when she knew Jeff and I were screwing. [] I don't really remember him. But I don't think he ever beat us. Mom still loathes him and will rake up against him every offence he ever committed, but she's never mentioned that. [] No. We weren't churchy. [] Possibly. She had different friends to us. Older. But I never heard of it if it happening. [] Oh, I don't know. It was so long ago. Maybe I thought I'd done enough. Made my point. [] I can't imagine. I really can't. [] Oh, I'd felt pretty good. I'd been so angry, but I'd won and I wasn't angry any more. I felt... I felt... [] Yeah. [] Is that bad? [] I was only doing what he wanted. He thought it was pretty good. [<"The way to a guy's heart is through his prick", I remember you saying.>] Yeah. OK. But what's that got to do with that time with Deirdre? I wasn't after her prick. Or her heart. [] Shit. What was it? [] I don't know, I tell ya'! I mean yeah, I'd been angry but that had gone. She knew that. She says so. She says I spoke quietly. Anyway we'd had some real blazing rows before but we'd never hit each other. She can't have thought I was going to hit her. I don't know what she was scared I might do. [] I'm not sure I like the sound of that. [] OK. Put like that. [] Yes. []>] No. I can't. Can't or won't?>] Can't. [] No, it's not that. It's... I can't. I think of those things and I crunch up inside. My cunt shrivels up and I feel like the bone grows like a shield across its front, closing it. [] Yes, oh I'm scared, but yes. Make me a woman. [] I'm open, open like the rose. [] Shit. Shit, shit, shit, shit, shit. [] Shit, I'm still shaking. Shit, that was scary. What did you do to me? I need a shower. Shit, don't ever do that to me again. [] Shit, that was.... Like I *was* Dee. Jesus, how I wanted to feel that guy inside me, like my cunt was burning for him. I was scared but I could have done it. Me, scared of a prick! Yet I was, but I wanted to. I so wanted to. And I could have let it inside me, while it was him. But the moment it was Jeff pushing... Everything just clamped up. Like cramps. Like a brick of ice in my cunt. I mean, Jeez... I've let some scum-balls screw me on set, guys who gave me the creeps, been fucked in front of the camera's by guys I wouldn't get into a lift alone with any other time and had no trouble taking their pricks in my cunt and faking it, but that.... *Was* I Dee? I mean had she... Shit, you're supposed to be a psychologist, not a fucking spiritualist. [] You what? [] Jeff coming out of the shower, all damp, towelling his hair, prick half-droopy like it is when I've made it happy. [] A little champagne fizz in my cunt and a strong desire to jump on him and screw him to death on the shower-room floor. [] Yeah, you bastard. [] No. But I owe it to Dee, don't I? [] OK. Go on. [] Terrify her, more like, if she really would feel what I did. [] But I'm sure she wanted him to. I saw all the signs. I mean, she must have imagined sex with him. She looked at him as though she was imagining him humping her at that very moment. [] Point taken. So how do you explain it? [] Intimacy? Doc, I'm a porn star. What the hell would I be worried about *intimacy* for? Want me to strip? Watch me fuck myself that little statuette on the shelf? Sure. Just ask. It's nothing to me. Water off a duck's back. I'd have a harder job working that photocopier. Hell, I like you. You're the brainiest guy I've met in years. You're so clever you frighten me. And I trust you utterly, one-hundred-and-ten percent. But if the sneakiest little thought has stuck its head up in the back of your mind saying, "I wonder what it's like to screw the real Stacy Stevens," please feel free to find out. I shall be quite happy to co-operate with any desires you would normally feel inhibited from, ah, seeking to fulfil. Is that proper psycho-speak? It would actually be real, real nice to screw a guy with brains for a change, and some manners. I would, honestly, enjoy it. And I'd have forgotten all about it before I was back at my car. [] Well, that put me in my place. [] OK. OK. You've made your point. Now you're making me *feel* like a child. [] Yes. I understand. I've done some - things that seemed OK at the time but which I regretted and sometimes caused me grief afterwards, and you've helped me understand why I did them. Thanks for the lesson. [] Yes. [] Oh, bed-time. I'd gone up about ten and heard Dee come up a few minutes later and go to her room. I'd been waiting for her, I was angry and wanted to get it off my chest, but when it came to it I chickened out and remained in my room arguing with myself. I even got ready for bed. Part of me was telling me not to do it, that it would only make it worse, but another part wanted to clear the air. To put Dee out of her misery. I heard Jeff come up a while later and decided to go to him instead. To talk about Dee. We hadn't really had a chance to since she'd got back from college, and about that I knew she knew... So after a couple of minutes for him to get into bed I went into the hall towards his room, but Dee's door was open a fraction and I saw her and knew I had to do it there and then. [] There were three bedrooms upstairs, so we could have one each. The attic had been turned into a bedroom, too. That was Mom's. [] Ha. That's, ah.. That's an odd one. We'd just moved there, but had lived there before. [] When Mom and Dad married her people gave them a house. Mom's people are quite wealthy. Own half the town, in fact. Mom and Dad didn't own the house. It was a trust or something. Rent was 10 cents a week. So that's where they lived until the divorce. But after it because Dad's job was in town and Mom wanted to be as far from him as possible we gave up the house and moved right across the country, and the house was let. When Dad was killed, tho', Mom moved us back. She wanted to be near her folks, and us to be near them, and she wanted Dee to go to her old college. And they got the old house back for us. Kicked the tenants somewhere else. [] Yes. He was killed in a car smash about a year before this happened. Mom didn't even tell us until after the funeral, so we wouldn't have to worry whether or not to go. [] Yes, she was. For the first time, too. Mom didn't move us back until the vacation. She wanted Dee to finish her last year at High School without disruption, and get her exams. Then she sent Dee off for a month in Spain while we actually moved back. The last tenants had left a bit of a mess and Mom wanted it all redecorated, and Dee's room wasn't ready when she got back from Spain so she was out in the annex until she went to College. So yeah, that would have been her first night back in her old room since, oh, eight or nine years gone. [] Oh, I don't know. Don't forget I was only five when we'd left before. [] Guess so. [] I suppose so. We'd shifted with all our furniture, both times. [] Dee's counterpane. The one she'd always had. [] Oh, a long way. I mean, it had fairies on it. Like the one in that Disney movie, what was it? [] Maybe. [] Yeah. [] Not really. I mean, Dee did very good at school and read some heavy stuff Hemingway, that kind of thing but in some ways she never grew up. [] Oh, I can't. It's just... Well she could be childish, sometimes, and ... I mean, like she never really gave up dolls, thinking they had feelings, that kind of thing. Like throwing them away would hurt them. [] In the corner. [] Wall facing the foot of the bed. [] In the wall opposite the bed. [] Uh, yeah. Guess it would be. [] On her bedside table. [] Yes, he would. Maybe there was some light from the hallway. [] No, put like that. [] Yes. [] No. It didn't look out at the street. [] Yeah, but it seems she knew it was Jeff. [] I don't know. You'll have to ask him. I wasn't there. [] Possible, I suppose. [] I don't think so. There wasn't on mine. [] There was a chair at her dressing-table, yeah. [] Looks like it, yes. [] I guess so. [] Yeah. Yeah, I'm pretty sure I did. I remember I was pleased I felt so calm and controlled, closing it gently 'til it clicked shut rather than slamming it. [] Her clock, and a book I think. [] Yes, usual thing. [] Yes, as a unit on the wall beside the bed. [] Her pictures. [] She'd had them at our last place. Posters, really. [] Oh no, not Deirdre. Pictures of knights and dragons, that kind of thing. [] Yes, prints not posters. [] Heavens, it's ten years ago. Does it matter? [] Well, there was a knight with a sword and shield facing a monster, you know the kind of thing. It was on a beach, and the monster was coming out of the waves. [] Yeah, in the corner. Behind the knight. She's on the ground, looking up. Not wearing very much and that's in shreds. And she's in chains. Quite sexy, really. Might suggest it to my producer. [] Victorians? [] Yeah. A girl in the sea, in big curling waves. There's land, a cliff, and a house I think, yeah, a house behind her. But she's despairing. She's going to drown herself. [] You're kidding me. You recognised it from that? [] Interesting? [] And the other one? [] Oh yes, I liked this one. A girl and a unicorn. She's standing by its head, a great white, powerful horse with a long twisting horn that could spear her in a moment, but it's bowing to her. Sexy as hell, but I don't do animals. That's all about virginity, right? [] There was one with knights on horses. A castle in the background looking like something out of Disneyland, but I can't remember very much about it. [] No, and I'm sure I would have remembered that. Why? [] Heavy stuff. [] No. No wait. Yes. Oscar. [] Yeah, it was a damn great teddy-bear. Must've been over three-foot tall, standing up. Was sat down, tho'. On the foot of her bed. Would have been looking up at her all night. Gave me the creeps. [] Damn thing was bigger than me, 'til I was about eight. Dee used to sleep with it in her bed but I wouldn't have wanted it in the same room. [] Always had it, as far as I can remember. Hell, I remember it being bigger than her. I don't think she could shift it on her own then. [] No, or when. Could have been Gran-pops. He doted on her. [] No, I didn't like it. It looked friendly but I kinda' felt that if you let it get too close it would hurt you. Stupid. It was just a stuffed bear. [] Oh, come on. I used to undress a doll called Barbie. Does that make me a lesbian? [] No. [] Oh? What? [] Bra and panties. [] No. I wouldn't have said so. You think she was dangling herself for Jeff? [] Could be. [] Just a gown. [] Yes. I just walked up to the bed and looked down at her looking up at me. [] Yeah. I wondered about that. I was taller, but she could be a hell-cat despite her size. [] I don't know why, if she was. Sure hers were small, but so was she. Bigger tits would have made her look busty, but I don't think she ever flaunted what she had let alone hankering for more. [<"I felt like a child next to her" , she says next. Why? She was almost nineteen. You were fourteen. No-one could have thought she *looked* like a child next to you even if you were taller. But she *felt* like a child. Because you were not a virgin and were therefore a woman, while she was a virgin and not yet a woman?>] I guess so. She knew a lot more than me, had done a lot more than me. But I knew what it was like to be screwed and she didn't. [] Maybe she didn't trust them to be gentle. [] I'll lift them. And lift them. [] Warm softness, so gentle. Such smoothness. Such fullness. [] Like pebbles, small pebbles, in discs of velvet. Pink velvet. So beautiful. [] Yes, I can feel them now as her fingers trace them, pick them out. I had not known they were so beautiful. [] No, I couldn't. [] Shouldn't. I could, but the eyes of others on them... I shouldn't. [] I can't... It is empty. [] Jeff could see them. They could be beautiful for him. But it wouldn't be right. [] Yes. No. It would not be *right*. [] No, not Stacy's fingers. I love her, but it wouldn't be right. [] It isn't right. Not Stacy. [] No. [] It should be her on the bed, the gown fallen from her body, her breasts standing up, her stomach rising and falling. My shadow on her, my lips not pressing but gentle, my hand stroking her hair as my hand follows that secret path on her skin across her stomach, pushing through the short tight curls between her legs and delving into that cleft, opening it for my fingers to unpack the lips and rolls within and toy with them. It should be me. [] She's my little sister and I love her, but can never show it so she understands. [] Yes. Yes, he can do to her what I cannot. Yet what I can do I should. Because I feel, because I know, what burns in her, what my touch on that little knot in her secret place can do, I can take her where Jeff can't. [] Yes, yes, one day. But I must take her first. Oh my God, oh shit, Oh, oh, oh. [] Sweet Jesus. Oh shit. [] Shit, you weren't joking when you talked about fucking my mind. Boy, that one nearly blew the top off my head and you weren't touching me. Even I wasn't touching me. Shit, if I could do *that* for real for the camera's... I'm fucking soaked. Just sitting here. Oh boy, they're still coming. [] Sounds like a fucking good idea. [] [<[< A fifteen minute break for Miss Bartlett to recover her composure.>]>] [] Shattered. What was that all about? [] No. It never occurred to me. I never would have thought she'd permit it, anyway. [] Yes, but she responded. And how! [] Was it ever! If I could bottle that... But if she wouldn't have permitted it, why didn't she push me away? [] I get it. So what did we learn from all that. [] It was all about that? [] Yes. OK. But she seemed pretty keen on the girl / girl stuff to me. [] No way. [] OK. I'll believe you. I agree that I can't imagine what it feels like to have a prick. [] Yeah. It wasn't so bad last time, when I understood. I mean I could still kind'a feel her inside me, pulling the strings, but I knew it wasn't her. Just a script she'd written, really. [] No. I can't touch it. [] Yes, yes. Oh yes. [] No. It will spit the white slime at me, on my face and my hair. [] No. Not on the bed, or the walls, or the floor. [] Are you saying she knew? [] For Jeff? [] Incest? [] Yes. I can see that. Can't you call me Bridget? [] Yes. [] I.... I thought they probably did but wasn't sure. They never... tested me on it. Put me in a position of having to show my hand. And, well, it seemed easier... to pretend. To go so far as to... openly accept it... seemed like the top of a slippery slope. I... was afraid where it might lead. [] Something like that, I suppose. I don't remember thinking it through that clearly. It was more a gut thing. [] It was more than I could do to sit down with my children and encourage them to have sex with each other. And it really isn't correct to suggest that I approved of their.. them. It was more a case of... tolerating it. [] I... It took me by surprise. No. That's not really true. I guess I'd seen it coming but it started before I expected. It surprised me and then... it was too late. I knew... something like it was on the cards. When Stacy was ten she would do anything for Jeff. He was twelve and sex kind'a exploded in him. I saw it. He became aware of sex. One day, as it seemed, girls, female things, meant nothing special to him. The next day he couldn't keep his eyes off them. Is it always like that? With boys? [] Ah. Well, with Stacy practically hanging off him all the time it was obvious he would notice she was a girl I mean notice in a sexual way and the signs were there that they, ah, got up to a little naughtiness. But she was only ten. She looked a little older, she was tall, and I watched her carefully to see if, you know, maybe Jeff was pushing it too far. But she was bright-eyed, bubbly and full of fun, and clearly adored him so I thought, well, if they were up to a bit of mischief it clearly wasn't doing her any harm. I mean, short of always keeping a brick wall between them, or threatening them with dire punishments and that 'God knows everything' nonsense, what can you do? [] Yes. I guess I failed, then. [] Oh, the signs. Stacy was only twelve... [] No, she was still twelve. Their father was still alive when it happened and I remember he sent her a gift for her thirteenth birthday which was three or four weeks after... I knew for sure. [] I was pretty sure even before I... confirmed it. There was something about Stacy's poise, her confidence, the way Jeff was no-longer her almost God-like big brother but her equal, even her bodyguard isn't quite right, 'protector' would be better, if you know what I mean? [] And he... he seemed to have gone overnight from being fond of her and putting up with her to adoring her. I guess it was a power thing. Before he'd held all the power and she had to accept what he gave, but now she held the power. You didn't have to be a rocket scientist to recognise that she had something he wanted, and had the power to give or withhold it, and to guess what that something might be. [] I wanted to know for sure if I was going to tackle to Jeff about it. I mean - to accuse him of doing it to Stacy if he wasn't... And Stacy was so happy. I didn't want anything to come between us... turn her against me. I was afraid that if I interfered... [] You see, their father was always trying to get them to live with him. He'd remarried and they had her kids plus some of their's but he wanted mine, too. And I was afraid that, well, if I came down hard on Jeff, or embarrassed him, he might decide he'd prefer to go live with his father. At fourteen I couldn't really have stopped him. And if their father got wind of what had been going on, Jeff and Stacy that is, well he could have you know, unfit mother, that kind of thing. I could have lost them all, and I didn't want to risk that. [] Yes. [] That's a rather crude and cruel way of putting it. You make me sound like some sort of Peeping Tom. [] Yes. Yes, it is. I was worried about two of my children. What they were getting up to together. What's wrong with that? [] No, I didn't feel good about it. What's your point? [] I don't know what you're getting at. [] Yes. [] Both. I had two brothers, and was in the middle. [] [] Because I fooled around with my brothers you think I'd encourage my own children to commit incest? [] Something like that. [] I suppose, if I'd really talked to him about it... [] Yes. [] I'd seen them. [] I'd seen Jeff and Stacy. Together. Making love. [] No. You wouldn't. Stacy was a twelve-year-old girl. Still a child, really. Her breasts barely begun. Just the first signs of her hair. Pubic hair. She was riding Jeff. Straddling him. Him inside her. She was moving gently. Drinking it in. Like... Oh, I don't know. A connoisseur. Her face... A gentle smile, like the Mona Lisa. Like she knew something... Even at that age she was having sex like I knew I'd never had it. Like many women go a lifetime without having. You know what she does? Yes, of course you do. My daughter the porn star. My friends who know... How can I bear it, I see them wondering? Being screwed by man after strange man in front of cameras, the crew and all the stage-hands, to be watched by tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of sad little men masturbating to the sight of her. How can I live with my daughter doing that? I can live with my daughter doing that - I can love my daughter doing that because I saw her as a twelve-year-old girl screwing herself on her brother's prick and loving it, and loving him, and loving herself loving it and loving him. Can you understand that? [] Some parents see, or think they see in their children a special gift for tennis, or baseball, or maybe music, and encourage them with dreams of a Grand Slam, or the Superbowl, or Carnegie Hall. I saw in my little girl a special gift for sex and, well, if she chose her brother to be her trainer and guide I sure as hell couldn't think of anyone I'd rather have doing it. [] Yes. I could trust them. Trust them not to go blabbing about me to their friends and mine. Trust them to take a lot more care not to get me pregnant than they did their girlfriends sometimes. Trust them to back off when I said 'no', because they knew they still had to live under the same roof as me. Trust them not to get too clingy and possessive, 'cos I was only their sister not their trophy. [] Maybe because she was seventeen, nearly eighteen, and he was only fifteen when it might, perhaps, have happened. [] I never talked to her about having sex with Jeff, one way or the other. To her he was just her nuisance little brother, most of the time. And anyway she was so sensible. The thought of them having sex was... inconceivable. But even if they had, I wouldn't have interfered. [] Nearly three years, but... If my older brother hadn't... [] Oh, it was kind'a cute. I mean, he was always that little bit grateful, 'cos I was older and boys don't usually get to go with older girls. [] That's not fair. [] Her damn father happened to her. [] Isn't that enough? Her dirty creep of a father happened to her and she couldn't live with the memory any more. The piece of shit killed her as surely as he'd pushed her of that balcony himself. [] Yes, the worthless piece of shit. [] I didn't know it then, of course. He was a dream. All the girls at college fancied him. [] Yeah I knew he'd screwed around. It was easy for him. And yes, I was flattered he seemed to choose me, and a part of me knew he was attracted to my money. But when I got pregnant... And he promised to change... I guess I wanted to believe him too much. [] Yes. [] Oh, he was more discrete. Tried to make me think I was special. All the others were just flings. It was just sex. That he loved me. [] Yes. For Deirdre's sake, then Jeff's and Stacy's. Kids need a father. And he seemed to dote on them, and them on him. [] Apparently. [] Yes I know, but I don't know... [] I.... [] Yes. [] I caught them. Deirdre and her father. On her bed. All I could see were her legs, sticking up beside his bare ass. And her arms... holding him.>] [] Yes. [] We know it now. I didn't know it then. But he wasn't humping her. Just holding himself and rubbing his prick against her. [] I guess so. Yes. I'd.. She doted on him, and him on her. Sometimes it seemed... I don't know. Didn't seem natural. But at other times... it was just what it was supposed to be like. [] Yes, damn it. [] Oscar? Oh, than damn bear. Yes. Frank brought it home for Dee one day, out of the blue. He'd won it in a draw. She was eight. Damn thing was almost as big as she was, but then, she was so small. She wouldn't sleep anywhere without it, after that. [] Some pervert had exposed himself to Dee and some of her friends in the school-yard. They were all interviewed by the police psychologist. She told me that... Deirdre had seemed... rather more familiar with male masturbation... than a ten-year-old girl ought to be. And there were traces of semen on her clothes. She'd allowed him to get that close. And she tried to clean them off. Pretended they weren't there, at first. [] Ignore it? Yeah, I guess so. I guess I needed to know. But when I saw them together... She was so small. Defenceless. That ugly great prick looking like it was going to split her in half. I just... Saw red. [] I... laid into him, yes. I remember him lying beside the bed, naked, and I was kicking him and screaming at him... [] She was just lying there on the bed. Hadn't moved, poor kid. White as a sheet. Great big eyes. [] What? [] Hell, I don't remember. Yes, I think maybe I did. Something about making his own daughter want to play the games of scum like that, perhaps. Why? [] Jesus, do you think I needed anything other than sight of my ten-year-old daughter naked on her back beneath her father? [] What? [] Is it so obvious? [] Signs? [] But it is different, isn't it? I mean, brothers and sisters are at least kind of equals, and girls have some chance to appeal to their mothers for protection from their brothers, but a father and daughter? What chance has she then? She often can't be sure her mother will choose to support her against her own husband. [] You sound as though you think all fathers.... [] I'm afraid that sounds too radical for me. [] Fourteen. [] Not in my case. He found me in bed with my older brother. As I was such a slut, he said, as to like having sex with my brother he was sure I'd have no objection to having sex with him. He just used me. He used to like watching my brothers do me, too. They... They didn't realise. They thought I enjoyed it. The three of them. I had to pretend... [] I guess so. I just knew... I'd have to put up with it for their sakes, and Mom's. She loved Dad. Had she known, it would have destroyed her. [] No, I never really loved him. I tried for Mom's sake, but I couldn't. [] I didn't need to project anything. She was a ten-year-old girl, for Christ's sake. A child. [] Hell yes. Out of the house and my life. Told him if he didn't agree to the divorce I'd tell the police what I'd just seen. [] She didn't speak for days. Just moved around and did... you know, the ordinary things. I tried taking her to our doctor to see... if he'd damaged her, but she wouldn't let herself be examined. Just downright refused. He referred me to a woman doctor, but she was a stranger and Deirdre... just said no. But she seemed to get over it. Come back to herself. I tried to get her to talk about it but she wouldn't. If he sent her gifts I let her have them... well, the ones for her birthday, anyway. And Christmas. Couldn't withhold those. But others I just threw out. I couldn't stop him getting access rights not without saying why but we moved away, as far as we could get from him, and I always made sure I was there if they did meet. [] Very quiet. Answer if she was spoken to. [] No. I wouldn't say so. She was just... kind'a polite, like he was a stranger she was wary of. [] Yes, I did. [] I guess so. [] They were close. That is, they had been. And she took things like loyalty, keeping secrets, very seriously. She'd always been that kind of girl. [] Yes, I suppose so. [] No. I tried, but it was clear she didn't want to. I did take her to a therapist when she was fourteen and, well, you know, not a child any more. She said Deirdre hadn't been very forthcoming but that she didn't think any real damage had been done. That it had been like a frightening game for her which she knew was behind her, that she might find it a little difficult to find her feet sexually and that she'd probably be shy of boys, of men, for a while, but when she found the right one she'd work it out. [] A bit, but she was studious and very intelligent. The sort of girl that finds it hard to find a like-minded boy anyway. [] Yes, of course. That she had the right to decided who she had sex with and when, and that she shouldn't have sex before she had decided for herself that she wanted to. [] Not... incest. But that her father had used her, taken advantage of her. That it hadn't been her fault. [] Yes. Of course. But Deirdre was in her last year at High School and working hard for her exams, and Jeff and Stacy were being... discrete. And it was only a few months before she was off to college. [] Yes. She wouldn't have been happy that Jeff and Stacy were... having sex. She was a bit... prim and proper in that regard. But if she'd come to me... I don't know. Maybe it would have given me the opportunity to sit down with her and ... put sex into proportion. I knew she had kind'a 'elevated' it that she was looking for it to be a bit 'Romeo and Juliet' rather than, well, earthy fun. Before she left for college I gave her the 'complete woman's guide' to contraception and STDs. She can't have been in any doubt that I was giving her the green light if she needed it. [] Tell him to get out. [] No. But she didn't encourage him, either. [] I guess so. [] No. But... I'd say she was tempted, but her conscience was telling her that she shouldn't. [] I suppose. Something like that. [] I don't know. I really don't know. She was almost nineteen. A young woman. She didn't have to apologise to me for having sex. [] I don't think she would have wanted me to know, if that's what you're getting at. [] Yes. [] I remember her visit. I knew she was... unhappy. But I put that down to all the changes. New to college, that kind of thing. [] I did wonder about that. All the memories. I asked her if she wanted to go back into it or take another one, although that would have meant shifting one of the others. She said it was OK. I did notice she'd dug out the bear Oscar and her old counterpane. And her old books and pictures. But she was just launching out into the world for the first time. It's natural that you'd want to remind yourself of where you were leaving. [] No. [] No. [] I did notice a change, but put it down to Deirdre's leaving home, and Stacy's growing up. [] I didn't know. I did know there were tensions, but not that Deirdre was behind them. There are tensions in every marriage. They never raised them with me and, well, it was their marriage so I kept out of it. [] You don't beat about the bush. Yes, I know he is still seeing her. [] Is this relevant? [] I see. OK, I was glad of it. In her... line of work, I felt that she needed someone rock-steady to rely on. Emotionally. And objective. With nothing to consider but her best interests and well-being. I've done my best, but I can't think of anyone better than Jeff for that. [] Yes. Nice enough girl, clearly devoted to him. Good mother. I can't say we get on well, but how many wives do with their mother-in-laws? [] She's tall and blond. In everything else she's Stacy's opposite. [] No. Well, I don't think so. Hell, I've never discussed Jeff's sex-life in his marriage with him. She just comes across as a bit prim and proper. More like Deirdre, actually. Very correct. [] True, but I really don't know. [] No. [] Penny, his wife. For the children's sake if nothing else. [] Deirdre. [] It might seem strange given their choices of career, but Deirdre was the more vulnerable. [] No. [] I don't know. Just an ordinary burglar? [] No. I can't believe that. Not their own sister. [] No. I won't believe it. [] No... She... She would not have done that. She never gave up on anything. I know she wasn't happy. Had the depressions. And the memories of her father... I know if it hadn't been for him she'd have been married, had children, and wouldn't have been up in the apartment on her own. So it wouldn't have happened. Couldn't have. He ruined her life, and I let it happen. I should have put a stop to it years earlier. I tried to get her to talk about it but she'd never open up to me. Not completely. But I'm sure there wasn't anything so bad... that it would make her do that. [] No. I can't think of anything. Have you reached... any conclusion? [] ANALYSIS [