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Voice chat record #0149047
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2004, Dec. 23
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Ginny : Hello?

Laura : Hello, this is Laura Hartford. Is that you, Ginny?

Ginny : Yep. Good evening, Laura! Want Mum?

Laura : Sure, thanks, sweetie. How are you?

Ginny : Pretty good... waiting for that test results... sitting on a hot stove right now! How’s An?

[pause]

Laura : ... err... likewise. Thanks. I think I’ll like to speak to your mum now...

Ginny : Sure. Can I talk to An, when you old ladies are done? Pleeeease?

Laura : Only if you take back the ‘old ladies’ thing!

Ginny : (laughs) Okay, okay! Thanks! Hold on.

[long pause]

Lucy : Hey Laura.

Laura: Hi, Lucy. How are you?

Lucy : Not bad, thank you. Yourself?

Laura : Likewise. Sorry for calling at such a late hour. I take it you’re done with dinner?

Lucy : Oh no problem at all! I’m just trying to convince Ginny it’s okay if she doesn’t get full marks on that stupid test...

Ginny :... but I *want* full marks! I need them for...

Lucy : Quiet, little girl!

Ginny : Uffffff!

Lucy : Kids...

Laura : Tell me about it.

Lucy : Anna making you go crazy, too?

Laura : Yes, but not quite for the test. It’s... well, this is actually what I wanted to have a word with you about.

Lucy : Oh, a mother/mother chat. Sounds fun! Hold on a second. [pause] There. My room. Go on.

Laura : Hehe... well, I don’t know how to say it so I’ll just say it, and forgive me if it sounds blunt... it’s just that...

Lucy : (gentle laugh) Say it already, Lo.

Laura : Do you spank Ginny?

[pause]

Lucy : Wow. Okay, that’s unusual. Do you mind me asking why?

Laura : No, of course not... it has something to do with Anna... you mind this topic?

Lucy : Oh not at all. I just wouldn’t expect to ever talk about it with you.

Laura: I understand. Well, things have happened that require my... involvement, shall we say.

Lucy: A-ha... okay. Well, I can’t say I “spank” Ginny, like, regularly. I have, a few times. Rarely.

Laura : Okay. How many times is a few times?

Lucy : (gentle laugh) Ooh a third grade?... You better have a lengthy explanation for this.

Laura : I will, I promise. And I’m sorry, I...

Lucy : It’s okay. Let me think... hmm... [pause] Not sure. Three come to mind. Maybe four or five. Do warning smacks count?

Laura : I suppose not... and I understand.

[pause]

Lucy : Hmm-hmm... alright, your turn. Wanna tell me what this is all about? I thought you never resorted to spanking for Anna and Max?

Laura : Yes, that’s right. But things have changed.

Lucy : I see. Don’t you think it’s a bit too late to change your approach?

Laura : Oh it doesn’t start from me. It starts from Anna.

[pause]

Lucy : What do you mean?

Laura : She... well, yes, she... asked that I spank her.

Lucy : WHAT?

Laura : (sighing) Yes... you’ll probably think she’s weird now, I know, and that...

Lucy : My dear Laura, forgive me, but you don’t know a thing.

Laura : Huh?

Lucy : I’m surprised, yes, but not for the reason you think.

Laura : Then why?

Lucy : Let me ask another question first, okay?

Laura : Okay...

Lucy : Did she just come out and say it?

Laura : No, not exactly. It’s complicated, really. But when I faced her with it, we talked... and then...

Lucy : Hold on. So you just found out?

Laura : Yes, but I’m sure she’s felt like this for a long time. Makes me feel so stupid.

Lucy : Oh I know. I hate to be the last to know, but that happens. So she’s always wanted it... and why? Did she say?

Laura : Confusedly. She doesn’t sound too sure. I think it’s partly curiosity, and partly a need for a firmer structure... but she said she wants to feel closer to me... well, she envies you and Ginny for that.

Lucy : Aww... I didn’t realise she knows I spank Ginny.

Laura : Is that a problem?

Lucy : Oh not at all. Gin probably told her.

Laura : She didn’t. Anna says she overheard.

[pause]

Lucy : While at my place?

Laura : Yes.

Lucy : Damn. I apologise, Laura. I should’ve been more careful.

Laura: It’s okay. That wasn’t the start of it, probably.

Lucy : Is she upset at me?

Laura : No! Didn’t you just hear? She wants me to be like you.

Lucy : Heh... well, what Anna says is quite normal. It might just be another way to draw attention to her... kids do that.

Laura : Believe me, I know. This sounds different though. Like a wake-up call to me, like she was saying, “hey mum I’m here, raise me better”... I thought I was... (sigh)

Lucy : Hey, hey, hey. That’s all in your mind, Lo. You’re a great mum. Let me tell you this. Anna’s spent many nights here, at the manor, the seaside... she’s healthy and fine. You guys did a terrific job.

Laura : Thanks...

Lucy : She’s probably not in the position to realise. She’s almost thirteen, she’s bound to feel guilty about stuff every now and then. Maybe she thinks this will make things okay.

Laura : Yes, that’s what I thought too. That she doesn’t see things *are* okay.

Lucy : Yes. Though of course there may be another... well, another little something.

Laura : Oh believe me, I’ve been thinking about THAT too. It’s scary.

Lucy : Nah. Remember Southwold?

Laura : Summer of ‘75? Of course!

Lucy : You used to think it was cool to make out with John Collins where you could be seen, and I didn’t think so.

Laura : (laugh) Yeah...

Lucy : Then I tried with Gary Stratton, and it was great.

Laura : My, weren’t we silly.

Lucy : Totally! But making out in public was cool, because it was forbidden, and slightly kinky... to feel all those people’s eyes on you, and the “how rude!” comments just made it better, remember?

Laura : (laugh) I sure do... best times of my life... oh, I see where you’re getting. Do you think it’s normal to be a little kinky?

Lucy : Not sure, and I think there’s a big difference between making out in public and wanting to be spanked, but, all things considered, I wouldn’t think Anna a weird girl if *that* is the real reason why she wants a spanking.

Laura : I agree... sort of... nah, I really do, it’s just not easy to cope.

Lucy : Hmm. What does Terry say?

Laura : He’s at the game. Doesn’t know yet.

Lucy : Ah! Go figure.

Laura : And now that I think about it... gosh, it *might* really be that Anna... likes it... to a degree...

Lucy : What makes you say so?

Laura : Well would you share anything even remotely sexy with your mother?

Lucy : Bleah!

Laura : Exactly. Well, a few minutes ago, when I was spanking her, she...

Lucy : ... you spanked her??

[pause]

Laura: Oh. Sorry. I didn’t say, did I.

Lucy : Well, you forgot the *tiniest* detail, Laura.

Laura : Yes... well, I did...

Lucy : Laura, hold on a second. Can I tell you that you’re on very thin ice with this thing? I don’t wish to alarm you, but spanking is something very serious and it should be taken carefully.

Laura : I *know* that, Lucy, it’s why I’m calling you.

Lucy : Okay. Just making sure. You can get yourself in a lot of trouble.

Laura : I know. That won’t happen. Thanks though. So... my point was, she was very embarrassed about the whole thing. I think she asked me to spank her because she doesn’t have anyone else to ask to, but she’s afraid, and quite... awkward.

Lucy : I bet. Don’t you think that was a tad hurried to actually give her one?

Laura : I’m starting to think so. (sigh) Especially given the outcome.

Lucy : Why? What happened?

Laura : Well, I’ve spanked her in her bedroom, over my lap... after talking...

Lucy : That’s how it should be. What was the reason?

Laura : None. More like a... uh... trial thing?

Lucy : Okay. Did you pull down her pants?

Laura : Not the underwear.

Lucy : Makes sense.

Laura : Is... was that right?

Lucy : You’re asking me?

Laura : Yes. How do you spank Ginny?

Lucy : Not bare, if that’s what you’re asking.

Laura : Okay. Well, I... I did try to pull down her panties, after a while...

Lucy : Uh oh...

Laura : ... she stood and said it was enough, thank you very much, and she’s gone to take a bath.

Lucy : Oh my. Lo, she’s almost a teenager. She must’ve died from embarrassment.

Laura : That’s what I’m thinking, and I wouldn’t try that again if I could go back!

Lucy : (sigh) Yes, well, I think that was unnecessary, especially during her first spanking.

Laura : Did you ever do that to Ginny?

Lucy : Yes, once, but she was six. Or seven. Very young anyway.

Laura : Wow... you started early.

[pause]

Laura: Sorry. That was uncalled for.

Lucy : Yes, but it’s okay.

Laura : I don’t mean to judge you, really. I know you and you’re a wonderful person, it’s just...

Lucy : Hey? It’s okay. We have different approaches. I’d just like you to know I’m not one of those parents who spank for everything. Missed curfew, bad words, and all that, I punish, but don’t spank.

Laura : Oh... then when do you...?

Lucy : Ginny can expect a spanking for particularly serious things that come after a period of... how can I say... drifting away.

Laura : Hmm... you mean when they get unfocused and cranky and need a wake-up call?

Lucy : Yes. But there must also be something serious coming from it before I take her over my lap.

Laura: I understand. It... well, it doesn’t sound so bad, like this.

Lucy : It isn’t, I assure you. Smacking is always the last resort. Anyway. Do you think it would help if I told you of the times I spanked her and how I went about it? Or would it make you feel bad?

Laura: Oh no!... it’d be great help. I... don’t really think Anna is into this for discipline, but... can’t hurt to hear from every bell.

Lucy : Thanks. And this has less to do with discipline than you’d think, girl.

Laura : What do you mean?

Lucy : You’ll see. Well... that first time, I think she was six or seven. She was learning to not backtalk. You know Ginny, she wants to get her way. So she’s gone through a couple of months of quite rude remarks, scoffing, and all that.

Laura : You know, I think I remember that. She looked so frustrated.

Lucy : Yes, it was quite hard on her. Rob and I tried everything but it wouldn’t work. Then one day she talked back and even cussed at a teacher. She was frustrated, and angry, because she couldn’t get things done her way and didn’t know how to make compromises. That’s where I spanked her, on the bare and over my lap. She really let go, and it was quite... healing. And taught a lesson, too. Can’t say she was an angel from then on, but her manners improved a lot over time, and I mean a lot.

Laura : Hmm... I understand... well, that’s certainly good for her...

Lucy : Yep. The second time, if memory serves, she was nine or so. At the seaside. She insisted so much on having a cell phone, and Rob and I said no, that she was too young.

Laura : Oh don’t tell me. I still won’t buy An one.

Lucy : Oh come on! Every kid has it.

Laura : ... hey that’s her line. I hate the darn things.

Lucy : Haha! We eventually gave in, last year. Anyway. Back then she kept insisting and we kept saying “when you’re older”, so she decided to not talk to us. To her credit, she resister several days. One day, at lunch, we were trying harder than ever to convince her that silence can’t be the answer to a problem... so she took a plate and smashed it on the floor, and said, “well this is noisier, happy now?”

Laura : Heh... sorry, but that’s so much like her...

Lucy : Yeah. I wanted to laugh but I was so pissed too. We didn’t spank her, though. We warned her she would be very sorry if she ever to do anything like it again. Believe it or not, she did the very next day, when we had guests over. And she even sprayed them all with orange juice! So embarrassing!

Laura : My... I can imagine...

Lucy : When the guests were gone, Rob took her to her bedroom and gave it to her good. On her pj’s, but I’m sure it stung. She was crying so hard, poor baby. But it ended up okay, because she said she didn’t want to be so hateful but didn’t know how to come out of it once she’d started. She didn’t really care about the cell phone anymore, she was just keeping her point to be silent, and suffering from that.

Laura : Aww... that’s sad. Kids can go around in circles so much...

Lucy : Exactly. So you see how the spanking wasn’t *only* for the stunt she pulled, but mostly to break a vicious circle. The other one or two times were more or less for similar issues, but the latest one, well, that’s the one I regret giving.

Laura : Could that be the one Anna heard?

Lucy : Well, I don’t know... what did she say about it?

Laura : That she was at your place, and overheard. She said Ginny didn’t cry and that both of you were cool with each other afterwards.

Lucy : Ah... okay, I see. Then that was probably last year. No, this last one I was angry, and Ginny didn’t deserve it. You know of our school deal, right?

Laura : Yes... that she’s allowed to skip thrice in a year.

Lucy : Exactly. If we have proof she did more than that, she’s grounded for a month.

Laura: Huh-huh.

Lucy : Well, last month, she’d already done that thrice, even though maybe there was more I don’t know of, but I don’t have proof on those, so they don’t count. Anyway. I thought she was skipping because a teacher called and said “everything alright with Ginny? We haven’t seen her in days.”

Laura : Oh...

Lucy : I felt like dying! Not so much because of missing school, but...

Laura : “*Where* are my kids while I think they’re in school?” I KNOW the feeling, believe me.

Lucy : Exactly. It was scary. So when she was back home that day, I confronted her about it. She said it wasn’t true, and I said Ms Spencer had called. So Gin started calling her names and say she was just an old hag, and calling *me* names, and you know how these things go. I eventually got fed up, and I dragged her over my lap and smacked the seat of her jeans for a minute or so.

Laura: Oh... I’m sorry...

Lucy : Me too, especially when I found out that Ms Spencer was actually wrong. She only has class twice a week, and it was a coincidence that Ginny was excused for lab activities both times.

Laura : But why didn’t the teacher know?

Lucy : I mean, have you *seen* Miss Spencer? She must be eighty or something. She’s lucky to remember her own name.

Laura: Damn.

Lucy: Yeah. Ginny yelled at me when I let her up, and didn’t want to talk to me. Later on I checked with the school, and found out she was right. I was so mortified.

Laura : You should’ve done that before.

Lucy : I know. That’s why it was a big mistake to spank her.

Laura : Did you make up eventually?

Lucy : Of course. Took us a couple of days, but we did. And she knows she’s not spank-free “just” because I was wrong once. She knows how things work.

Laura : True. Out of curiosity: so you’re going to keep this up into her teen years?

Lucy : I think so, yes. You see, spanking for Ginny is half for discipline and half for... call it healing, or therapy. It cleans things away when it’s needed. You’re never too old for that. I think that’s a rare event, but, well, also the need for a fire extinguisher is rare... nonetheless, you keep one in your office.

[pause]

Laura : I understand... that makes a lot of sense. (sigh) Well, thanks. About everything.

Lucy : Anything for you guys. So... what do you think you’ll do?

Laura : I wish I knew. I’ll wait to discuss this with Terry, and talk to Anna of course. We’ll see. You do agree that she’d benefit from talking this through with her family, right?

Lucy : Absolutely. It would be criminal if your daughter expressed an interest in spanking and you just let it go, hoping it passes.

Laura: I agree. What’s your opinion? On the whole thing.

Lucy : Well, to be honest, I need time to make up my mind, too. But instinctively... I’d say Anna needs to feel what a real spanking is like, by the hand of someone she is comfortable with. That’s the only way she’ll be able to tell her own feelings.

Laura : (sigh) Exactly what I didn’t want to hear. That’d be... well, I don’t know.

Lucy: I realise. Just a thought anyway.

Laura: Oh, you’re fine. It’s just... (sigh) you know. Can we call you again, if the need arises?

Lucy : Sure. One thing, though... keep Ginny out of this, okay?

Laura : Of course!

Lucy : I mean, maybe Anna has questions for her, but please ask that she keeps them, for now.

Laura : Don’t worry, I understand. I’d do the same.

Lucy : Okay. Thanks.

Laura: No problem. Talk to you later. Love ya.

Lucy : Love you too. Bye.

Laura : Bye.

– to be continued... –