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Table of Contents
1. Explanations and the Usual.
1. Explanation of this FAQ
2. Copyright and Disclaimers
3. Quick Glossary of Terms
4. Author's thoughts and musings
2. Incest
1. What is incest?
2. What are these other definitions of incest?
3. Explain each definition please.
4. What's this "emotional incest" you were talking about?
3. The Incestuous Relationship: How does/do I start one.
1. How do most incestuous relationships get started?
2. Should I start an incestuous sexual/romantic relationship with
a relative?
3. Well okay, but if I want to anyway, what kind of trouble am I
looking at?
4. Who should I not start an incestuous relationship with?
5. What's the best kind of relative to start a relationship with?
6. How can I tell if my feelings are just a fantasy or if they are
real?
7. How do I approach a family member that I'm interested in?
8. What do I do if my relative isn't interested?
4. The Incestuous Relationship: What's it like
1. So what are these incest relationships really like.
2. I've read some people had some great relationships with their
relatives. Is it all hype, or not?
3. Aren't many of these incest relationships abusive?
4. Why don't incestuous relationships last any length of time?
5. I read the story of somebody on an incest board and they
talked about how they had sex all the time. Is that true?
6. Are any of these relationships truly about love?
7. If I am in an incestuous relationship, should I try to get out
of it?
8. Where can I go to talk about this kind of relationship?
5. The General, Crazy, and Extreme Questions Section (read at own risk)
1.1 This FAQ (frequently asked questions) document is specifically
created to answer questions that are frequently posted on the some of
the pro-incest websites and on Usenet. No one has asked me to write
this FAQ. This FAQ is made to mainly answer questions about consensual
incest between family members. Although there will be some questions
answered about the topic of non-consensual incest. Please read the
copyright, disclaimers, and the words from the author before continuing
1.2. **COPYRIGHT AND DISCLAMERS**
Copyright © 2008 - This document is the sole property of the author.
The author reserves the right to remove, distribute, and modify this
document at any time.
The author of this FAQ does not take any legal, moral, or ethical
responsibility for the content in this FAQ. Nor does the author take
any responsibility for the content or posts of anyplace where this FAQ
may be posted. The author does not take any legal, moral, or ethical
responsibility for this FAQ being posted anywhere whether they have been
given consent or not. Let it also be known that the author does not
take any legal, moral, or ethical responsibility for any behavior,
actions or inactions that a person or persons may take after reading
this FAQ. If this is illegal to read, own, or distribute any copies of
this FAQ where you live then don't do it! And most of all: READ AT
YOUR OWN FUCKING RISK!!!
3. Quick Glossary of Terms
1. DILF(s) - short for Dads/Daddy's I'd Love to Fuck. The pornographic
male version of MILFs. Usually meant for young women who have an
attraction to much older males, it's become a staple of the gay male sex
industry more then what it was originally intended for. Many people
with an incest fetish use this for fantasies
2. Family sex (famsex) - incestuous sex relations that usually involve
all members of an immediate family and maybe some extended.
3. Fantasy Incest - Incestuous topics, stories, and pictures that are
nothing more then fantasy and are not to be taken as fact.
4. Incest porn - pornography that usually depicts members of a family
having sex. Usually these pictures are obvious fakes and are posted as
'real' families having sex on a website. But there are a growing number
of real pictures of family members having sex with one another; they are
usually posted on some pay per view websites but mostly on pro-incest
sex forums.
5. LEOs - not the Gundam models but Law Enforcement Officers.
6. MILF(s) - short for Moms/Mommies/Matures I'd Love to Fuck - it is a
sexual fetish porn that usually involves young men 19 to 30 having sex
with women who are old enough to be their mothers. Usually the women
are amateurs or retired, little known, former porn stars. The sexual
fetish fad was started about 5 years ago and has risen to extremely
large prominence around the world.
4. Author's thoughts and musings.
Well hello everyone! My name is Crysta; I am the author (authoress) of
this FAQ. I decided to write this FAQ on my own with very little
encouragement. Why? Because I like to write and I felt this would be a
good way to get the creative juices flowing again. Now do I personally
condone incest? Yes I do, but only when it's consensual and preferably
between two adults. I'm no pro-incest protester or incest couples
rights advocate. In all truth I believe the laws are just fine as they
are, due to the fact that there are always morons in society who may
take things too far. But most of all, I believe in free will. I
believe you have the right to have consensual sex with a relative, if
you want to, from the standpoint of having free will. I also understand
the moral, ethical, and genetic reasons why incest is illegal. I hope
this FAQ will educate many, enlighten some, and mostly just foster some
understanding. I wrote this FAQ for those who have questions about
incestuous relationships, weather they be for, against, or just curious.
This FAQ is not meant to encourage people to engage in sexual relations
with relative. If nothing else I hope it helps people who are thinking
of engaging or have already engaged in a consensual relationship with a
family member, think of the consequences of their actions and maybe
guide them to make safer, better decisions.
2. What is Incest
1. What is incest?
There are actually several definitions, but I will give the most
relevant one, the legal one. Incest as defined by just about every
law, in every nation on the planet is two people who are related
via blood or marriage having consensual/non-consensual sexual
relations with each other. This includes oral and digital (fingers)
sex. But incest can be emotional as well. Sadly enough most cases
of incest are abusive.
2. What are these other definitions of incest?
The other definitions are social, personal, familial, Biblical, and
possibly genetic.
3. Explain each definition, please…
I don't need to explain what the personal definition of incest is.
At least i hope no one is that dumb. The 'social definition' of
incest is basically the general understanding of what society
considers as incest, this also includes pop-culture insights as
well. In American society sleeping with your in-laws would not be
considered incest, but the pop-culture true confession magazines
love to print stories about people sleeping with their in-laws and
touting it as 'incest'. This also goes towards sleeping with ones
step-family members, some in society see it as incest, some do not.
But for the sake of a legal argument; if the step family member is
a part of your immediate family then it is considered as incest in
most states and nations around the world. The 'familial' or 'family
definition' of incest is what your family thinks what incest is.
Although one could argue that this is a personal form of
definition, it isn't because people in your family as a whole
believe this is the definition, and you'll find that most people
base their definition on incest from what their family tells them.
In my own family my father's mother believed that blood relations
existed up to the fifth cousin, although when I asked her about the
sixth cousin she said she thought that was wrong as well. Some
families believe that any sexual relations with people related by
blood or marriage are incest.
The 'Biblical definition' of incest is in the book Leviticus,
specifically in Leviticus 18 and so on. Now the 'genetic definition'
of incest is based on the pure science of genetics not on anyone's
opinion. Genetics would define incest by direct genetic match-ups. This
means anyone in your blood related immediate family, this includes
half-siblings as well and your aunts and uncles. Interestingly enough
most geneticists agree that sex between cousins or half-cousins is not
incest because they have no genetic match-ups. This has been argued as
incorrect by some scientists by using the genetic theory of ancestral
genetics. Ancestral genetics basically states that you can trace back a
person's gene pool to a common set of people. So basically as long as
you all have the same grandparents then you are related.
4. What's this "emotional incest" you were talking about?
Emotional, covert, or psychic incest is a type of psychological abuse
in which a parent imposes an overly sexualized or codependent
relationship on their child. The covert incest relationship includes
aspects similar to a relationship between adult sexual partners but
without the type of physical contact that would be considered as
child sexual abuse. Behaviors associated with covert incest create an
interpersonal relationship that is thought to be harmful to the child
and one-sided, meeting only the needs of the parent while discounting
the needs of the child.
3. The Incestuous Relationship: How does/how do I start one
1. How do most incestuous relationships get started?
It's rarely, if ever, actually planned. In most cases these
relationships start purely by accident. Sometimes, drugs or alcohol
are involved in the beginning of a relationship. Most relationships
don't last very long though. In the rare cases that they do there
is a strong sexual/emotional component to it.
2. Should I start an incestuous sexual/romantic relationship with a
relative?
To be absolutely truthful, you should not, too much trouble can come
of it.
3. Well okay, but if I want to anyway, what kind of trouble am I looking
at?
The most immediate trouble is being caught, although most family
members never suspect what's going on, in every family there are
people who can sense things going on even without a lot of hints,
these are the people who can get you into trouble. If you get
caught, your family disowning you may be the least of your worries,
just having sex with a relative can land you and your relative in
jail for at least a year, you and your relative may even be put on
the Sexual Offender Registry. Second, there is the risk of
pregnancy, for those who are having incestuous affairs with the
opposite gender. The other huge thing is the psychological and
emotional aspects of such a relationship, and it can also effect how
you handle non-incestuous relationships in the future, as well as
how you perceive other family members, or it can affect your
inter-personal relationships with the rest of your family.
4. Who should I not start an incestuous relationship with?
Look at this from the same standpoint as you would normal dating,
but with a little extra concern and caution. This is my personal
advice though. Don't start a relationship with a relative who is
married, or in a serious relationship, which includes being
engaged. Don't start a relationship with a relative who is
mentally/emotionally unequipped, unstable, crazy, or
mentally/emotionally damaged. I will especially advise against
having a relationship with an underage relative or with one who has
suffered from sexual abuse. Also keep away from relatives who you
know can't keep a secret. And for God's sake don't be fucking or
starting a relationship with a mentally handicapped relative!
5. What's the best kind of relative to start a relationship with?
If you can find a relative who is willing and interested. Save for
the restrictions I advised in question 3, you have to decide mainly
who attracts you the most. But a cousin is a good place to start, or
maybe a sibling. I have a tendency to avoid parents, not my thing
and that seems like a very sticky wicket to me.
6. How can I tell if my feelings are just a fantasy or if they are
real?
Since all incest starts as a sexual fantasy then you should know
that it is a fantasy at first. Fantasy is what it is. It's a
fleeting thought, or desire that may not come up again or may only
come up when the situation arises, or the object of your fantasy is
brought to mind. If you only think about incest when you visit a
website, or when the topic is discussed, then most likely it's just
a fantasy. Another truth of fantasy is the moment of sexual
attraction. Case in point, seeing a relative in the nude, and then
you wonder more about seeing them nude or being sexual with them
for a moment. That is just fantasy, because in any other situation
you would have never thought about having sex with a relative.
When you begin to feel that a relationship with a relative is better
then a relationship with someone you are not related to. When you
see your ideal future as being involved in a long term relationship
with a relative and are willing to forsake normal relationships and
even knowing the risks, would be willing to pursue a relationship
with said family member.
7. How do I approach a family member that I'm interested in?
Look for clues that your relative may be interested. This may
actually be easier if you're female. Being outright seductive isn't
advised. Be subtle and look for responses to your questions or
actions.
8. What do I do if my relative isn't interested?
Hopefully the words; move on with your life, hold great meaning for
you.
4. The Incestuous Relationship: What's it like
1. So what are these incest relationships really like.
Since most people don't speak about their incestuous relationships
in the open, it's hard to say. Find some people on the incest
boards who may tell you what their relationships are like.
2. I've read some people had some great relationships with their
relatives. Is it all hype, or not?
Once again I can't give you some cover all answer. Some people are
actually married to a relative and have children, while some have
on and off relationships. It all depends upon the situation and
the people involved.
3. Aren't many of these incest relationships abusive?
No they aren't. Some may have started from a situation of sexual
abuse or coercion. But those are so rare they are practically
non-existent.
4. I read the story of somebody on an incest board and they talked
about how they had sex all the time. Is that true?
It's hard to say. Since lust is a big component in many
incestuous relationships then there may be a lot of fucking going
on. But for the more romantic relationships it may be more
traditional, starting out with a lot of sex and then cooling off.
But on a final note: Everybody lies.
5. Why don't incestuous relationships last any length of time?
Fear of being caught. Feelings of guilt. Not to mention the
realization that you might not ever be able to truly be a couple or
get married and have children. Most people can't handle the guilt,
fear, or realization that comes from being in such of a
relationship. In some cases people just stop because there is no
longer any sexual thrill to the relationship.
6. Are any of these relationships truly about love?
An incestuous relationship can be about love. It can start out
about love, or lust. Some would argue that it is love first
because it is a relative that you already love, so to speak.
7. If I am in an incestuous relationship, should I try to get out of
it?
It's up to you. Weigh how you feel, the risks, and other things
and then make your decisions
8. Where can I go to talk about this kind of relationship?
There are a number of web forums and websites that speak of this.
If you want something serious and non-porn oriented then go to
www.cousincouples.com/. It's mostly for cousins though. Now the
rest of the boards I mention are porn oriented:
www.incesttaboo.com, and http://forum.incestsite.com/index.php.
These sites are the least offense and probably the best place to
go if you want to talk.
O.k.…I think I've been formal enough. The next section is not for the
faint of heart. It's just a general question FAQ. But the questions
may seem radical and even crazy to some. There is some questionable
content so read on at your own risk. This area is a spoiler space for
those who don't want to accidentally see anything. If you have any more
questions you'd like answered then go to some of the sites I've
mentioned. Complaints, asking me out and stupid shit will be ignored!
5. The General, Crazy, and Extreme Questions Section
The questions here are of the more extreme category. Not meant but for
the hardcore members of the pro-incest community. Most will be quick
and to the point. And may raise some eyebrows. Read on at your own
risk.
1. I'm in a relationship with a relative, and I'm interested in
marriage. Can we/should we even try? If you know that your relative
isn't interested then don't waste your time trying to push it. If
you're both interested the read question 3.3, to find out what you're
risking. If you have no family to speak of then you're risks are a lot
less of having trouble.
2. What about pregnancy.
Only if you both know what you're getting into. Make sure you talk
about it together. Don't just assume your relative will agree and don't
use a child to try to keep the relationship going.
3. If we decide to have a child together, what are the chances of birth
defects? According to some stats off of Cousincouples.com, cousins have
a 2% risk of birth defects, while siblings have a 4% risk. By this data
one can assume that the risk between parent and child couples are
double; maybe even triple the last stat. So there is a good chance you
will not have a child with birth defects. Unless, you are the child of
incest and then you numbers probably sky rocket.
4. I want to come forward to my family about my incestuous relationship
with a relative. Should I? Once again, read question 3.3. Also ask the
person you're in a relationship with if they want others to know.
5. I'm in an incestuous relationship with a relative that is married.
Should we stop? I would personally suggest you do so, for one you are
ruining a marriage, weather it be good or bad. Two you increase the
risk of being caught tenfold.
6. I'm already in a relationship with someone, but I want to bring in
another relative, should I? You can if you want to but you keep pushing
your luck for each person you bring in. And before anyone else asks do
not try to bring in a girlfriend or boyfriend into this. If a break up
occurs then that person might be angry tell everyone you're secret.
7. My relationship with a relative has been discovered, what do I/we
do? Be ready to leave one another alone for a time. Be ready to lie
like a dog. If you can, speak to the discoverer and see if you can
persuade them to keep their mouth shut.
8. I've been in a relationship with a relative and I'm ready to move
on. How do I broach the subject? Be honest and truthful. Explain your
reasons for wanting the relationship to end, and hope they understand.
Try to place the blame squarely on yourself. But do realize that this
will once more change things irrevocably for you both.
9. I'm a victim of sexual abuse and now I have this attraction to a
relative of mine. Am I screwed up because of what happened to me as a
kid? I wish I could give you some simple answer but I can't. Yes you
may be simply repeating the past abuse, or you may be looking for a safe
haven because you have trust issues. Then again you could just be
simply attracted to the relative with no sub-conscious strings attached.
10. As a child I had a positive incestuous experience with a relative.
Should I allow my child/children to have the same experience? It's up to
you. I won't recommend you do or do not. But you need to make sure you
consider how it will affect you and the kids.
11. I'm in a relationship with an underage relative. Am I wrong in
this? Legally you are quite wrong. Now I will add that if the
relationship is consensual then it's up to you how you proceed. I can't
give you any other advice then that.
12. I was involved with consensual incest as a child, and now I
suspect/know my children are involved. Should I put a stop to it?
Listen to your instincts. These are your children after all. If the
incest is abusive then by all means put a stop to it. If you truly do
know what's going on then sit them down and talk to them. Be candid,
honest, and maybe even somewhat frank. But you know your children best.
13. Help! I'm in love with two relatives at once! What should I do?
Choose one, unless you can have them both without a problem.
14. I'm interested in one of my parents. Should I pursue?
ONLY IF THEY ARE NOT MARRIED! I cannot stress that enough. If they are
married do not do so. Think about what you may be ruining if you do!
15. I wanna post pictures of me and my relative on the internet. Can
I? Only if you have the consent of the relative, and you know you're not
going to be caught.
16. Are there other incestuous couples out there? If so should we meet
them? Sure. It would be nice to meet and talk with others like
yourself. Just confirm that they are the real deal before you meet
them.
Well folks…that's it for now. Hope you enjoyed reading this FAQ. I may
post revisions of it later on.
Crysta
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