------------------------------------------------------------- WARNING! This text file contains sexually explicit material. If you do not wish to read this type of literature, or you are under the legal age where you live, PLEASE CLOSE THIS FILE NOW!!!! ------------------------------------------------------------- This work is copyrighted to the author © 2010. This story may be posted to non-commercial "free" sites, or in the "free" area of commercial sites so long as no changes are made AND the author information is retained. By: Kelly Originally posted at http://www.asstr-mirror.org/files/Authors/Kelly_Diary/www/ ------------------------------------------------------------ ANDY CHATS WITH HEATHER ABOUT MEGAN, HIS 12 YEAR-OLD DAUHGTER Heather Farrow Andy Peters ******************************************************************************** Andy is a 42 year-old husband and father of three. His oldest, Megan, is 12 and is just entering that stage of life where hse draws the attention of older men - including her dad! ******************************************************************************** Hi Kelly, My chat with Heather is below. Tell me what you think. After I chatted with Heather I read the email Dan sent you saying he thought Heather was actually a guy. If he's right she's a good actor (or actress). What do you think? I still can't bring myself to do the pic thing. I think part of the problem is that I'd mostly be doing it to turn you on (same as Craig it thrills me to know I might be doing this). But I know it will only turn you on if it's also turning me on. Any way I'll work myself out some how. Andy ----- Our chat on Thu, 9/24/09 4:43 PM ----- Andy (3:11 PM): Hi Heather - thanks for emailing me back Heather (3:12 PM): hi Andy (3:12 PM): Like I said in my email I really enjoyed reading your chats with Kelly Heather (3:13 PM): why? what makes them so good .. or better than others Andy (3:13 PM): For starters they're so much more real Andy (3:13 PM): And because of your job you bring a really interesting perspective Andy (3:14 PM): And then some of them are just plain hot! Andy (3:15 PM): They're not just boy fucks girl (or dad fucks daughter) or whatever - there's so much emotion and passion in them Heather (3:17 PM): I see well me and Kelly don’t agree on everything. I try not to let her influence me as she seems to do others so much. Andy (3:18 PM): Yes - I was chatting with her last night and she lead me (and I must admit I allowed myself to be lead) through all sorts of fantasies I wouldn't usually have. It was very exciting but slightly freaky as well. Andy (3:18 PM): I can see how she might get guys to cross boundaries they wouldn't otherwise cross Andy (3:20 PM): You do a better job of pushing back. Heather (3:20 PM): do you have interest in incest yourself. Andy (3:21 PM): I had some childhood experiences that I look back on happily. It's a very hot fantasy and you and Kelly are proof that it can sometimes be a really positive thing - but I suspect most of the time when it moves from fantasy to reality it's pretty traumatic. Andy (3:22 PM): But it's hard not get excited looking at a young teen girl entering puberty Heather (3:23 PM): most times it doesn’t work out cause there is no honesty and its done in secret. If you were to do this it would be a family decision. Your daughter at 12 must be starting puberty any temptation there? Andy (3:24 PM): Yes - she's an early developer and already has quite well formed breasts and a lot of pubic hair. She hasn't started her periods yet but can't be far away. Andy (3:24 PM): More temptation when chatting to Kelly and reading the stories on her site. Andy (3:25 PM): I find it easier to think about her friends in a sexual way than Megan herself Heather (3:25 PM): so she is not shy about letting you see her nude if you are aware of her pubic hair. Do you know her bra size? Andy (3:26 PM): She's not wearing a bra yet. I still bath her each night. She's not yet particularly self conscious about her body, but starting to get that way and closing the door etc. I still see lots of her nude. Heather (3:28 PM): you still bath her.. so your feeling her breasts and vagina. That must add to the temptation you feel. Andy (3:29 PM): More getting her into and out of the bath than actually washing her. I think it'd be very hard to resist temptation if I was washing her breasts and vagina - very hard in more ways than one - lol. Heather (3:29 PM): you wife doesn’t mind you seeing her body now that its growing up Andy (3:29 PM): Sometimes I smell her panties when I take her clothes down to the laundry from the bath. Andy (3:30 PM): No - wife doesn't seem to mind at all. It's never come up as an issue. Heather (3:30 PM): has your wife talked to daughter yet about her growing body.. sexuality.. masturbation etc Andy (3:31 PM): A little I think. She's bought her one of those 'girls and sex' type books. Andy (3:31 PM): Warned her that her periods might start. Andy (3:31 PM): Do you think she'd be masturbating yet? Heather (3:32 PM): that’s all good but might be good for them to sit down in private and have a little girl to girl time. If she has started puberty its a good time to learn if she hasn’t. Andy (3:32 PM): yes - my parents were hopeless at that sort of thing Andy (3:33 PM): What age do girls usually start masturbating? Heather (3:34 PM): there is no real age.. but if it was up to me they should learn when they begin puberty. Your wife should teach her even. Its better for her to learn to explore herself then to explore her urges with someone else yet Andy (3:34 PM): Yes - and wife would be a safe person to teach Andy (3:35 PM): Again nobody taught me at that age. Learnt through actions of other relatives and teachers. Heather (3:36 PM): they both have same parts.. and will help her with her curiosity of what she growing up into as well. Males don’t really need to be taught its a instinct. Some girls figure it out too but most wouldn’t know where to start or feel they shouldn’t Andy (3:37 PM): yes - i had a girlfriend who said many of her adult women friends didn't figure out masturbation until they needed a way to finish off what their husbands/boy friends etc couldn't quite do Andy (3:37 PM): the ex-girlfriend said she had been a very early learner in that department but her sisters and friends hadn't been Heather (3:37 PM): all the more reason to learn.. then they could teach there husbands/boy friends what would finish them off.. Andy (3:38 PM): too true - porn can't teach us everything - lol Heather (3:38 PM): porn should teach you nothing... its not real Andy (3:38 PM): When I was a kid it was Penthouse letters which always began "I never believed the stories in Penthouse until ..." Andy (3:39 PM): Porn is an enjoyable release - but usually a million miles from reality (like some of Kelly's friends) Heather (3:39 PM): you should talk to your wife about your feelings.. and your wife should talk more with your daughter if nothing else Andy (3:40 PM): Which feelings should I talk to wife about? It could be very difficult to bring up feelings for daughter Andy (3:41 PM): I can't remember - did you or your husband first raise the subject in your family? Heather (3:41 PM): it was me... and yes you should mention those. there only fantasy until you make them real. If she shares no interest then convo dies there.. But like I said at very least she should help her learn to masturbate. Andy (3:42 PM): I probably shouldn't but I find the picture of my wife teaching my daughter to masturbate very arousing Heather (3:43 PM): it would be a private moment for them unless your wife has interest in making it more than that Andy (3:44 PM): I know - it couldn't be a peep show for me - just my imagination Andy (3:44 PM): I know it was an amazing time in my life when i discovered masturbation Heather (3:45 PM): I would even speak to your wife and daughter if she wished it... but I do feel you should talk to your wife about your feelings. Its best to be honest now.. if there no chance you can leave them as fantasy Andy (3:46 PM): You're probably right. I'd have to find the right moment and the right way to bring it up. Andy (3:46 PM): By the way, your descriptions of the intimacy between you and your daughter are really moving Heather (3:46 PM): really? what did I say that peaks your interest Andy (3:47 PM): The way you described her wanting to get together with you and you giving her what she was after in a very caring way. Andy (3:47 PM): Her eating your pussy and you eating hers. Andy (3:49 PM): On the fantasy reality side, I'm probably like a lot of guys - sometimes I'm guilt ridden and think i should put all these fantasies out of my mind - other times I can barely resist acting on them Andy (3:49 PM): But I don't want one foolish moment to changes everyone's lives for ever Heather (3:49 PM): if your like that then you need to talk to your wife before a foolish moment does.. its better to make this a family choice than act on your own one day Andy (3:50 PM): yes - that seems to be what makes you and Kelly different to a lot of other incest situations - it's not rape or abuse or something done secretly from the rest of the family. It's open and consensual and loving. Heather (3:51 PM): secrets are not good.. when someone finds out they get all mad and upset. you have better chance if your honest from the start. Andy (3:51 PM): true - and you don't kid yourself as much if you need to be open Andy (3:52 PM): you sound like no regrets at all on your part that you've taken this path? Andy (3:52 PM): at the start of your conversations with Kelly it didn't seem you'd go that way Heather (3:53 PM): some yes.. I never had that urge to begin with though. I did this for other reason and got caught up in it but no turning back now. Andy (3:53 PM): Do you think reading Kelly's site helped develop those urges? Heather (3:54 PM): no they must have been there to begin with if you found interest to read the site in the first place... it might have made you more aware of them though Andy (3:55 PM): I think that's right. Brought into focus something that was always beneath the surface. Heather (3:55 PM): do you think your wife would be open to talking to me. would she agree teaching your daughter is good idea Andy (3:56 PM): I think she'd agree that she should teacher daughter about her body and what she can do with it. Andy (3:56 PM): Be harder to introduce the topic of family relations, but it might come up naturally in the course of teaching Andy (3:57 PM): I'd have to think how to persuade her to talk to you. She doesn't know how much I'm into online porn, chat etc Heather (3:58 PM): maybe time to come clean a little. If you wife agrees to try this could open doors to talk more Andy (3:58 PM): Yes - let her learn a little more about the real me. Andy (3:58 PM): Could maybe start by telling her about my own childhood experiences with older cousins of both sexes Andy (3:59 PM): And some of the teacher stuff Heather (3:59 PM): has your wife mentioned getting daughter a bra yet? If I felt her chest I could tell it was a breast right? Andy (4:00 PM): you only have to look at her see they're breasts - very pronounced - probably an A cup Andy (4:00 PM): nipples sometimes on "high beam" Andy (4:01 PM): still very firm though so don't need that much support - i'm not sure how you know it's the right time to wear a bra Heather (4:02 PM): she might not need one cause she firm but it might be good idea to let her get used to wearing one. especially as they get more noticeable and the nipple high beam as you say Andy (4:02 PM): although I quite like noticing that myself! by the way, i enjoy reading some of the tribute pages Kelly has where guys are jerking off into their daughters bras and knickers Heather (4:03 PM): I hate those. find them very disturbing. You shouldn’t be invading daughters private things like that. I'm sure you wouldn’t like it very much if someone put body fluids on your clothing without your knowledge. Andy (4:04 PM): true - I think they're taking a big risk Andy (4:04 PM): Kelly asked me to do one for her - but I haven't yet and really don't think I will Andy (4:05 PM): although she can be very persuasive when she has you aroused Heather (4:05 PM): now she asking people to do it. oh my very disturbing. I'd rather you fuck your daughter with your wife’s involvement of course. at least thats more honest and up front Andy (4:06 PM): I think Kelly rationalizes it as an outlet for fantasies that the guys wouldn't otherwise have Andy (4:07 PM): and I think a of of guys - me included - find it very hard to be completely honest with our partners about all our feelings and urges Heather (4:07 PM): fantasy is fine.. but now your taking someone’s things and doing something to them they don’t know about. I'd rather encourage you to be honest. If they don’t agree its just a fantasy and hopefully you would keep it that way. Andy (4:08 PM): I’m finding chatting with you a lot less disturbing than some parts of chatting with Kelly Andy (4:09 PM): in your work though, you must find a lot of people finding it hard to be open about their feelings and urges - if they weren't you might be out of a job Heather (4:10 PM): of course. so does she ask you for help into the tub.. if your not bathing her what is the reasoning behind it Andy (4:11 PM): more just habit since she was a toddler - every night after dinner I run the bath and put each of the kids through the bath. it used to be all 3 together (daughter and two younger sons) but now they're older it's one at a time Andy (4:11 PM): in the last year or so I've really noticed her body go from a child to a young woman Andy (4:11 PM): she seems to like having me there Andy (4:12 PM): she often sees me in the shower to and always has since she was young Heather (4:12 PM): you mentioned hair...how much does she have. enough to cover up pussy? maybe wife even teach her about shaving Andy (4:13 PM): it went from being moss 12 months ago to quite a bush now Andy (4:13 PM): wife trims rather than shaves (pussy any way, she shaves her legs), but some teaching to be done there Andy (4:14 PM): she's developing hips too, and a very sexy butt Heather (4:14 PM): if you cant see lips of pussy might be time for a trim... shaving legs and etc will be coming soon too Andy (4:14 PM): mmmmm I need to be careful about peering too closely at pussy lips but sometimes she bends over or whatever and i get a very nice view Andy (4:15 PM): that's when i get an overwhelming urge to caress and lick her pussy Heather (4:16 PM): well I hope you talk to wife soon. I'd like to talk to her to if she is ok with teach her about self pleasure. Andy (4:16 PM): she's away on holidays with kids for a few days - hence more time to chat on line - but I'll try to think of a way to talk to her and get her to talk to you Andy (4:17 PM): have you talked to many wives/mums in this position? Heather (4:18 PM): no but I'd like to. As I said I think its important for girls to learn to please themselves.. They be able to teach people males in future and have better sex lives Andy (4:18 PM): yes - and happier hubbies/partners too if they're comfortable with their own bodies Andy (4:19 PM): Are you at home or work at the moment? I'm at work. Heather (4:19 PM): at home Andy (4:20 PM): I'm at work so can't do much about how much our chat is arousing me Heather (4:20 PM): what do you enjoy with your wife in bed? Andy (4:21 PM): We have a fairly vanilla sex life - I really enjoy playing with her ass while she rides me and faces me Andy (4:22 PM): She gives a great blow job. Unfortunately she's not that into me performing oral on her which I really enjoy doing. Andy (4:22 PM): I love having my nipples bitten and pinched which she does for me very well. Heather (4:22 PM): that is very odd most women would kill to get a good oral licking... but she seems to still fully enjoy being penetrated. Andy (4:23 PM): And I also love her touching my ass when I’m just about to cum Andy (4:23 PM): Yes - every other partner I've had really enjoyed oral Andy (4:24 PM): And I like to do analingus as well which some have really liked - others not so much. Heather (4:24 PM): so she enjoys being penetrated from on top best? she holds on and guides it into herself Andy (4:24 PM): probably like most married men my age with kids i'd like to do it more often than we seem to manage Andy (4:25 PM): She cums most easily when she's on top. I like it to because it means I don't cum too quickly and can hold my myself in until she's cum. Then we usually turn over and I'm on top when i cum. Andy (4:26 PM): on top i can play with and suck her nipples and gently rub her ass which seems to just send her over the top Heather (4:26 PM): she a moaner or yeller or talker? or pretty quiet Andy (4:26 PM): she's not into anal penetration but seems to really like anal stimulus on the outside Andy (4:27 PM): a moaner and a yeller when she cums - which i like Heather (4:27 PM): most women don’t enjoy anal... does she allow you in there sometimes or never Andy (4:27 PM): never yet - i think anal is another one of those porn fantasies that guys love but is not so great for the woman Andy (4:28 PM): I’ve done anal a few times with other times and it's been great for me, but none of them have been that into it Andy (4:28 PM): other partners Andy (4:28 PM): what positions do u like best? Heather (4:28 PM): neither will be your wife.. but it be nice for her to allow you sometimes... I have a once or twice a rule with my husband... of course she might have a fantasy or something she wants sexually she hasn’t mentioned either that you could trade for... Andy (4:29 PM): mmmmm that sounds good - yes i saw your birthday and xmas rule - very nice Heather (4:29 PM): I really enjoy being on top or doggie.. if you have read everything you can tell what my daughter enjoys lol.. Andy (4:29 PM): remind me - was it 69 with u with hubby penetrating doggy style? Heather (4:30 PM): well yes but even without me she only will only try doggie. She always flips herself in that direction Andy (4:30 PM): maybe more comfortable for her at this age Andy (4:31 PM): she seems to orgasm quite readily too Andy (4:31 PM): and much more comfortable than your son with the whole family thing Heather (4:32 PM): well yes but being penetrated she still isn’t happy about . she knows she can get off without it so it confuses her why she should do it. Andy (4:33 PM): yes - she needs to know everyone needs to get off and that some things will make her dad (and her brother when she lets him) very, very happy indeed Andy (4:33 PM): i can't remember - does she give her dad oral? Heather (4:33 PM): she has yes Andy (4:34 PM): did she like that (I'm sure he did) Andy (4:34 PM): her dad is one lucky guy - having u for a wife and her for a daughter Heather (4:35 PM): she didn’t mind if she was getting it back. Its all about keeping it equal and fair to her Andy (4:35 PM): mmmmm - for me I don't see it as a trade because i enjoy giving oral just as much as receiving it Andy (4:35 PM): and the thought of giving oral to a girl her age drives me wild Heather (4:36 PM): well I sure your daughters body similar to mine. Hope you get chance to speak with wife Andy (4:36 PM): back on the anal, do u get even a little pleasure out of it - or just a chore? Andy (4:37 PM): yes - sounds like our daughters are a similar age and stage - you've just advanced the family communications a bit more than I have Andy (4:37 PM): what should i do next (other than talking to wife)? anything at bath time? Heather (4:38 PM): unless she going to let you touch something or let you get naked too.. no do nothing.. and without talking to wife I wouldn’t do that anyways Andy (4:38 PM): we tend not to be naked at the same time - either I’m putting her in bath or she sees me in shower Andy (4:39 PM): sometimes i masturbate in the shower in the morning - she hasn't caught me but has come close Heather (4:40 PM): talking to wife first step.. getting wife to talk to her.. even teaching her to masturbate is step 2... from there its up to you and wife Andy (4:41 PM): good advice (although sometimes i look at porn on pc waiting for her to get out of bath - maybe I should let her catch me looking at something mild) Heather (4:41 PM): no.. especially not before wife has talk with her Andy (4:42 PM): ok - it's been great chatting - did you want to know anything else about me? Heather (4:42 PM): not that I can think of. I do look forward to speaking to your wife if you can make that possible Andy (4:43 PM): I’ll do my best. hopefully I’ll make it happen. we'll chat again soon. Andy (4:43 PM): bye for now Heather (4:43 PM): good bye